Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French Church


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy delete. Page is a copyright violation of. -- Lear's Fool 10:10, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

French Church

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Using various combinations of French Church, Staten Island and Greenridge I can find no mention of this church. The only relevant page I find is a wiki site about Huguenots on Staten Island, but it doesn't provide any info that can identify this church here. It seems to fail WP:V, especially as it is difficult to know exactly what sources the contributor was referring to. The onus should be on the contributor to clearly state sources, not for readers to have to go digging for them. Contested Prod. Ravendrop 22:20, 18 February 2011 (UTC) Comment: It is also mentioned here and here and in this book. This website seems to indicate that the site is at "Arthur Kill Rd. & Cortelyou St." StAnselm (talk) 03:39, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:34, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:35, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I contested the prod, explaining that the sources were given in such as way that they could be found, but needed to be stated exactly. Yes, ideally I should have done better and actually done the work at the time, but what I was doing was screening as many prods as possible for deletion, not trying to write all the articles also.  (People have from time to time called me lazy for not fixing perfectly ever article I look at, but I suppose I should treat that as a tribute.) I just added one clean ref.  to document the appointment of the minister, and I see there are others. G and its relatives often need some human  assistance: when a name   is non-distinctive work, one   looks for something that is distinctive. In this case, the name oft he church was hopelessly unsearchable, but the name of the minister was given.    When the name of an author is indicated, but the the title of the book, one can look for his books.  There is even another method, the classical one, which is to find a book on the overall subject and read it; it was quite possible to do good research before the googles were invented.   The original article was exceptionally sloppy, but since it is an historically important subject, it's worth doing the work to improve it. (not that everyone must, but if there's an article and I find myself unable to improve it due to limitations of time,  resources, language or whatever, I do not assume that nobody else can do so.) .  DGG   05:49, February 19, 2011
 * Delete: If you don't feel like doing the work to find the sources, what basis do you have for contesting the prod? You shouldn't contest on the basis that sources exist unless you are certain that they actually do, and that can't be the case if you haven't bothered to do the work; indiscriminate prod removal without a scrap of investigation is nothing short of vandalism and disruptive editing. That being said, the sources proffered are trivial mentions at best; none discuss the subject in the "significant detail" that the GNG requires.  Beyond that, the nom is absolutely right: policy is clear on the fact that it is the explicit duty of editors who want to save an article to provide valid sources, not merely to speculate - absent a shred of proof - that such sources exist.   Ravenswing  10:01, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.