Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French Genocide


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The result was   delete. POV fork of Armenian genocide.  DGG ( talk ) 06:12, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

French Genocide

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Misuse of term "French Genocide" and non-notable recent media event. The term "French Genocide" is rare in the literature, and when it does appear, usually refers to the killings in the Vendee region during the French Revolution. Here, this term is completely misused. To the extent that the deaths of Algerians during the Algerian war of independence could be construed as genocide (which is generally not the case), the article should be entitled "Algerian genocide". But that term is nonexistant in the literature. All we have here are the accusations of the Turkish Government in retaliation for the recent French law on the Armenian Genocide, which is not sufficiently notable to warrant an encyclopedia article. Athenean (talk) 02:12, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅: A short-lived thunderous political reaction, nothing else. DITWIN GRIM (talk) 08:41, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ Media manipulation!
 * Delete This page English translation of tr:Cezayir Soykırımı. And this for Sétif and Guelma massacre in English Wikipedia. -- Esc2003 (talk) 14:23, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete -- This is political point scoring between a genocide-denying Turkey and the French legislature. If kept it should be "Genocide in Algeria".  The killing of the Jews by the Germans is never called "German genocide" and the article on the Armenians is at Armenian genocide.  History needs to be written by historians based on documents, not by policitians with a gripe.  I am taking no view on whether the actions of the French during the Algerian war of independence do or do not constitute a genocide.  I will merely comment that war is a nasty business, and particularly civil war, in which relatively uninvolved people get caught in the crossfire.  We hear of millions having died in the recent DRC conflicts, but I do not think any one is crying "genocide", at least not yet.  It is a pity that List of massacres in Algeria is not in chronological order.  However, it seems that peopel were killed as a result of armed conflict, not merely becasue of their ethnicity, which is (or should be) the test for genocide.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:33, 29 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I am turkish and I can confirm that the turkish article about the french genocide is not the same as the article in english. Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, where different views can be shared in one article. I invite the french and other europeans to update the article using the views of their leaders and historians etc. the following article en:Algerian_war on wikipedia acknowledges that nearly or over 1 million algerians died during their war for independance, while only 25.000 french found death. The disproportional number of algerian casualties against the french casualties shows that it is highly unlikely to be caused by warfare alone. the french should take their responsibilities for their own history first, just the same as turkey should take its responsibility. every country should at first clean its own dirty past. the article should be renamed "Algerian genocide" in contrast to the armenian sufferings. And so to avoid the french being constantly targeted. The name "French genocide" is too personal. removing the article would be inconsistant with wikipedia's principles. 178.84.115.162 (talk) 03:59, 30 December 2011 (UTC) Let the evidence speak for itself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm9uKjVyKoI, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L5DvaEjEGU&feature=related , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1U33-dpsJI&feature=related , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZiGYASeNf4&feature=related , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE68Rdb2tSA&feature=related, those are french soldiers gunning down unarmed algerian civilians. 178.84.115.162 (talk) 16:09, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete What the sources demonstrate is that there is a controversy between Turkey and France, they do not demonstrate that genocide took place, and having an article on the subject (and the redirect Algerian genocide) gives undue weight to an idea that doesn't have sourcing, making it inflammatory. I have no idea what really happened, but this is not the way to document it.  It only covers the accusations, and presents zero sourcing to facts.  All I can do is look at the policies here, which seem to indicate that there is a shortage of real sourcing of the event, and only sourcing of heated exchanges between political leaders.  I've watched the article since inception, and have no problem with it being recreated if real sourcing and evidence comes to light, but as of today, I can't find it and it appears others can't either.  Dennis Brown (talk) 13:44, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to War in the Vendée which is what both google books & google scholar suggest in the find sources search above. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 13:37, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Per Dennis Brown Darkness Shines (talk) 09:38, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This Article does NOT meet ANY of the Criteria for deletion, to delete it would be a violation of Wikipedia Policy. All this article needs is some time for more research and developement. To delete the article would be harsh and disproportionate, while not giving this important topic the necessary time and space to unfold itself in the due wikipedia process and style.
 * Delete per nom. Ankimai (talk) 16:40, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
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