Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frensham school

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. - Mailer Diablo 10:41, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Frensham school
Advertising of a non-notable school (250 Google) with some signs of vanity included. - Mailer Diablo 02:07, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * not sure how the google search was done - my search came up with 9,480 hits!?! --AYArktos 00:15, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * With quotes. &mdash;Korath (Talk) 00:40, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)


 * use of quotes in search not appropriate - the school is usually referred to just as "Frensham" - for example: CV of sculptor, Sydney Morning Herald Article & obituary of former pupil published by Australian Press Council


 * Delete: Random private school, although I did have to bite my fingers to keep from typing some awful things about their school motto. Geogre 06:08, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 *  Merge into articela about its location (Southern Highlands, New South Wales?) and delete - Skysmith 08:12, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete very small and not notable school in otherwise large city. -Casito 08:42, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I have rewritten the article. Frensham is a notable NSW girls school and its Sturt school is notable for its craft program especially in textiles. The appropriate location is Mittagong for merging which doesn't have an article although the Southern Highlands does. Capitalistroadster 09:52, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Good grief, I see what Geogre means. Not sufficiently distinguishable from other schools to warrant own article. Delete. Slac speak up!  09:56, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, not every school holds an annual Australian Forum for Fibre Textiles Conference. Kappa 10:18, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable school. Radiant_* 11:51, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep The age of the institution may make it notable for that region of the world. The tone appears neutral to me so I would not ding it as an advertisement. -- Glen Finney 13:19, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: The school's motto is "In love serve one another". Not a tennis reference but probably not what Geogre and Slac are thinking.  Dirty old men, like me.  No vote, although the conference doesn't appear notable enough to justify Kappa's argument.  Barno 17:07, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * My argument is a response to "not sufficiently distinguishable" Kappa 17:19, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed; I simply don't share the opinion that hosting the AFFTC is so influential or significant to make this article WP-worthy. I'll change my vote if Kappa provides persuasive evidence.  Barno 20:13, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * After Capitalistroadster added a list of noteworthy alumnae, I now vote weak Keep. The article is now better than most school articles on WP and establishes at least some significance, although more for its graduates than its programs ("Sturt craft centre has an Australian reputation as a centre for the crafts" impresses me little) or the conference it hosts.  Barno 16:16, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and allow organic growth. This institution is encyclopedic.  Wikipedia is not paper.   --GRider\talk 18:29, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Trivial.  Trivial is the opposite of encyclopedic. &mdash;Korath (Talk) 18:46, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Schools are inherently nonencyclopedic. --Angr 19:36, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and edit as necessary.--BaronLarf 19:52, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. I suspect, but can't prove, that the original version of the article was a copyvio. --Carnildo 21:58, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Yet another lamentable nomination of a school. Wincoote 01:39, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. With quite a substantial bit on the history of the school (which won't change in the next 2 years, as opposed to the ranking or the recent results of the school team), this is what I think a decent and keepable school article can look like. And 1913 is probably quite old for Australia. / Uppland 05:21, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 06:26, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. I have added further to the article. In summary, the claims for notability for this school include:


 * Leading Australian photographer Harold Cazneaux took 100 photographs of the school published in 1934; the National Library of Australia used these photos as part of an exhibition on his art;
 * S.E. Emilsen wrote another book on the school in 1988;
 * Rosemary Foot, a former Deputy Leader of the NSW Liberal Party in the 1980's - Foot was the first woman to hold a leadership position in the lower house for a major party in Australia;
 * five notable award-winning authors attended the school; and
 * the Sturt craft centre has an Australian reputation as a centre for the crafts;

All of these facts are now included in the article. Capitalistroadster 10:01, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. What RaD Man said.--Gene_poole 01:34, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep this school's article. Notability is subjective.  ~leif &#9786; HELO 04:47, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable school Klonimus 06:00, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a notable school - well known within Australia --AYArktos 00:11, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * keep. notable australian school. clarkk 03:42, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - AS with all Schools, worthy of a mention. Google test is not the be all and end all. --Irishpunktom\talk 15:20, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - Wikipedia is not paper.   &mdash; PhilHibbs | talk 15:42, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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