Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fresno Crossing, California (2nd nomination)


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The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Jim Savage. If you disagree with this Redirect target, please have a discussion on the talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 07:11, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Fresno Crossing, California
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Ineligible for PROD because it was proposed for deletion once before, closed as "keep". Site is not a recognized populated place (let alone "unincorporated community"); it's just a river crossing. No improvements to article since previous AfD. Without meaningful secondary coverage it fails WP:GNG, and without evidence this was a populated place it fails WP:GEOLAND. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 00:37, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and California. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 00:37, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * All of the external bare URLs from the prior AFD discussion are either paywalled or "no such page" for me. So I read the Fresno history books instead. It's not an "unincorporated community".  It was the site of the James D. Savage Trading Post, and near to the site of (until the area was flooded in 1971) the Savage Monument.  There's very little to say about this that isn't really about the Savage Trading Post.  There are perhaps a couple of sentences in some 19th century histories of Fresno that describe ownership the year after Savage died.  But pretty much all else is histories of Savage. I'm not sure whether we should have this point to Jim Savage or the Savage Trading Post article, or refactor it into Savage Monument.  We do seem to have much of this actually in Jim Savage already; the problem with Savage Trading Post is that it doesn't cover that (per the Rensch+Rensch+Hoover history) he actually had four trading posts, and the one at Fresno Crossing was his fourth and last; and the Savage Monument is only near to where the fourth trading post was.  The mining was not here, but at Coarse Gold Gulch in the history books.  And the only "camp" here in the history books was but one of several forestry labour camps "for unemployed transients" in the 1930s. Uncle G (talk) 02:02, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Stockton–Los Angeles Road. I suspect this location's historical importance is solely as a river ford on the north-south California wagon route from Fort Yuma near Mexico to Benicia on San Francisco Bay. It's mentioned briefly in the United States War Department's 1859 guidebook to overland travel, The Prairie Traveler by Captain Randolph Barnes Marcy. Later, starting in 1912, "Fresno Crossing" doesn't show up as a place name on topographic maps until 1962. There are never more than several buildings shown at this place. -- A. B. (talk • contribs •  global count)  02:15, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Due to an edit conflict, I only saw Uncle G's comments after I posted my comment above. I think a redirect to one of the Savage-related articles would be better than a redirect to the old overland route. -- A. B. (talk • contribs •  global count)  02:20, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I would be fine with a redirect to one of the Savage-related articles Uncle G mentioned, as long as the article in question mentions Fresno Crossing and its relevance to Savage and his business interests. I'm not opposed to keeping articles/redirects on minor locations; I'm opposed to information-less stubs created not to preserve history but because GNIS had an entry with this name, which is clearly what happened here. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 15:20, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


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