Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Friedrich Wilhelm, Prince of Wied


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Tone 11:58, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Carl, Prince of Wied
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Members of obscure former royal family which was deposed even before they were born. PatGallacher (talk) 16:18, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:34, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:34, 12 August 2020 (UTC)


 * This deletion proposal also applies to Friedrich Wilhelm, Prince of Wied. PatGallacher (talk) 16:36, 12 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete both articles about these non notable people.Smeat75 (talk) 19:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Friedrich Wilhelm, Prince of Wied, delete Carl, Prince of Wied. The former was a noted entrepreneur, and the German Wikipedia's article shows significant coverage. The latter is on Wikipedia solely for the sake of genealogy. Surtsicna (talk) 15:25, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. No substantive claim to notability. He is the current "holder" of a nonexistent hereditary title, and that's it. WP:NOTINHERITED. Guy (help! - typo?) 22:10, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Carl, Prince of Wied: He was the main titular head of the family of Wied. Oleryhlolsson (talk) 08:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC) + Keep - Friedrich Wilhelm, Prince of Wied: He was entrepreneur in a diverse range of industries and also the main titular head of the family of Wied. Oleryhlolsson (talk) 08:25, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "Main titular head of the family" means nothing when there is no significant coverage in reliable sources. Surtsicna (talk) 10:18, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Weak delete, the main claim of notability (entrepreneur) is wholly unsourced (and for some reason appears in a section called "Prince of Wied", although his name has been Mr Prinz von Wied all his life), and the rest is just genealogy. WP:TNT necessary for a keep. —Kusma (t·c) 21:49, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep both per Oleryhlolsson. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:41, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - the actual head of a dynastic family. User:Bearian/Standards doesn't apply. Bearian (talk) 21:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Where is the significant coverage, though? Surtsicna (talk) 21:56, 17 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per Wikipedia is not a genealogical database and seemingly no substantive coverage. There doesn't appear to be anything notable this person has ever done (if his business career is notable, then I will adjust my vote, but as already noted, that seems currently unsourced).  If kept, article should be substantially rewritten to not be in the style of an article about actual nobility, but rather to one about a normal person, as there legally is no Prince of Wied title to succeed to.  SnowFire (talk) 00:02, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom --Devokewater @ 12:36, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Carl, Comment on Friedrich Wilhelm. Carl's page cites ROUTINE obituary coverage and 3 genealogical directories. These do not establish notability per NOTINHERITED and INVALIDBIO. Friedrich Wilhelm's English page has 1 genealogy book and two self-published sources by decidedly non-expert bloggers. His German page is better, but the vast majority of its length is astonishingly excessive detail on company holdings and production parameters. It has 1 genealogy source; an economic newspaper cited 4 times that ran a series of press releases on "nobility as entrepreneurs"; the website of Beaumont Timber (which returns zero results for "Friedrich"); an article in the "Logging and Sawmilling Journal" about Beaumont Timber that also doesn't mention him; an entry in the "Home Yearbook of the Neuwied District" about Manrepos Castle; a detailed article on Neuwied Castle Park flood protection in a parks and rec-type website that only mentions "Prinzes zu Wied" in general (the only specific prince mentioned is Prinz Friedrich zu Wied (1872-1945)); an article about his death in the "County Homeland Yearbook" cited 3 times; and two obituaries released by Rhein-Zeitung on the same day. If editors who can read German evaluate those articles as RS and consider them sufficient coverage for GNG, then I would lean towards weak keep. JoelleJay (talk) 18:34, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


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