Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Friend of Dorothy

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was KEEP. JeremyA 23:57, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Friend of Dorothy
Merge and redirect to Gay slang. Simply reproduces what's already there. Exploding Boy 02:00, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment If your intent was not for the content to be deleted, you probably should have just been bold and merged it yourself without VfDing it. GFDL requires that we keep the page's history if the content is merged to another article and this page is redirected, and therefore deleting the page (which takes the history with it) is not a valid option. See the discussion here for information on this. This applies to your other VfD submissions today as well, I believe. -- Barfooz  (talk)  03:36, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * My intent was more to avoid knee-jerk un-redirects actually. With discussion here the page can be deleted without fear, and the information really is covered well enough at gay slang that we could probably just redirect.  Exploding Boy 17:16, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep This is a common term with historical significance. Within the GLBT community it is very well known.  It is much more than slang...it is a part of a subversive communication strategy developed by the gay community during a time when it faced governmental and police suppression.  This article should remain where it is and be available for expansion.Tobycat 06:39, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge &mdash; Chameleon 12:52, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * keep this could have potential. --TimPope 23:07, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep historically significant slang term. If anyone can verify, we could add the story I heard once, that the F.B.I. actually believed there was a "head homosexual" code-named Dorothy. --Angr/undefined 23:49, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Heard that story myself. I'm sure it was in an interview with somebody who'd written a book on gay culture in the 50s. If somebody who know more about gay issues than I do could track down that source and add it to the article, it would push Friend of Dorothy over the dicdef/article boundary.Isaac R 01:43, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep There is enormous potential for expansion on Judy Garland's role as a gay subculture icon. Xoloz 03:40, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * That would belong in Judy Garland. ---Isaac R 04:13, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree. The gay icon aspect of Judy Garland is only one part of the Friend of Dorothy phenomenon.  The key point is that there was a time not so long ago when gay people needed to talk to one another using code.  This was one of the common codes in the 50's and 60's and the article has a lot of potential to grow.  It's ironic that this is coming up for VfD during GLBT history month.Tobycat 04:32, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Ditto TobyCat. Although every hobby today might call itself a "subculture", Garland was truly a subterrarean icon.  The term passed into common language only long after Garland death, once the political climate changed, so including that explanation in her bio-article would grossly distort the historical development of the term. Xoloz 04:59, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. Historically significant term. JamesBurns 04:24, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep &hellip; G u y M &hellip; (soapbox) 01:12, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep It was useful in looking up an MST3K reference :-) adjensen 02:29, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * MergeSeeky 21:47, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Francs2000 | Talk 00:42, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect Agree to redirect to gay slang. No need for seperate stubBarneygumble 21:45, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. More than a wiktionary defition and a well-enough known phrase to have its own article. David | Talk 13:33, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a very old term with a very long history which can be referenced and discussed quite a bit. Especially in the context of Tobycat's comment above. --Sketchee 00:57, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. --[[Image:Ottawa flag.png|20px]] Spinboy 00:23, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)


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