Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Friends School of Portland


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Cumberland, Maine. Spartaz Humbug! 13:58, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Friends School of Portland

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This school only goes through 8th grade. Schools in the US that do not go to the high school level need very good sourcing to show notability, which is entirely lacking here. In fact this article has existed for almost 13 years, and the only source is the subjects own website. I did a google search and found the usually review websites we can find on basically any school that currently exists, but since we have never held that every school that exists is notable, there is nothing about that which shows that this is a notable school. John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:08, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:19, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:19, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Maine-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:19, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

 --User:Namiba 22:42, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep the school is well-known for its energy-efficient design and to a lesser extent its political activism. Here are some links from a variety of sources.
 * The building does not make the school notable. The Banner  talk 09:59, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * None of those sources are substantially about the school, at least one is a caption to a picture provided by this school to a very specialized publication, and the last is about students from many schools and does not specify this school at all.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:58, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * JPL, you should read the last more closely. The student leading the protest attends the school and the school is named. Given the plethora of independent sources, the building the school has built is clearly notable and should have an article. The school itself should be covered in that article as well. Note that I've added two more sources and begun cleaning up the article itself.--User:Namiba 13:43, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Having someone from a particular school be a leader of some random protest march, does not make the school itself notable. Wikipedia needs less presentism. Until we have articles on every elementary school that fed key children in civil rights action in the early 1960s, having this article based on such a passing presentist case is not justified.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:38, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Presentism has nothing to do with it. There are now 2 full-length newspaper articles, sources from 4 independent non-news sites, and an academic journal article on the page.--User:Namiba 21:03, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete lack of coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Timberlack (talk) 08:27, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Sockstrike. Blablubbs | talk 20:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect - to the settlement it's located in, Cumberland, Maine. Per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES and WP:ATD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.254.193.169 (talk) 17:42, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Per SCHOOLOUTCOMES, "Most independently accredited degree-awarding institutions have enough coverage to be notable, although that coverage may not be readily available online." This is an independently accredited institution.--User:Namiba 15:00, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * This is a K-6 institution, that is elementary level, it does not grant a degree. So it does not fall under that rubric. The quote you cite is refering really to tertiary institutions, although for other reasons we generally treat secondary institutions as notable. We only accept that a very, very few elementaries are notable. You are misapplying and minsinterpreting the text you are quoting. It in no way refers to this elementary school.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:47, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Leaving aside SCHOOLOUTCOMES, I agree that most elementary schools are not notable. However, most elementary schools don't have two major newspaper articles about their unique beliefs and values, nor has the building they built and occupy been discussed by a half-dozen or more sources because it is among the first of its kind. That's why this school in particular is notable.--User:Namiba 19:02, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) 00:57, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect and partially merge. The school is clearly not notable. The school building is arguably marginally notable, which is the wrinkle here. I think I still support deletion, but I'm not sure the school guidelines are the best way to decide this one. A sentence in Cumberland, Maine is probably appropriate. SportingFlyer  T · C  22:49, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

This is part of Maine history on a historical island, its cited and should stayGeneraluser11 (talk) 17:35, 4 March 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   13:21, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect - to Cumberland, Maine per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES and WP:ATD. Sourcing does not meet GNG or ORGCRIT for the subject, sourcing above about the building does not meet NBUILD, "Buildings, including private residences and commercial developments, may be notable as a result of their historic, social, economic, or architectural importance, but they require significant in-depth coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability." Looks like a wonderful school with a good facility, but this is not an encyclopedic topic.  // Timothy :: talk  16:38, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't think the sources are sufficient to meet NBUILD? They are numerous, independent, and in-depth.--User:Namiba 18:56, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, but, may I make a suggestion? Why don't you pick the three best sources, and make arguments on how they show NORG? Perhaps an organized argument might sway myself or others. 174.254.198.242 (talk) 02:56, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure. Here are 4 unique, independent, in-depth sources. There are more available., , , .--User:Namiba 03:35, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * None of the above shows historic, social, economic, or architectural importance. It shows someone built an energy efficent building and it has nothing to do with the subject of the article - the school and does not have SIGCOV about the school. I suggest you write an article about the building if you think this is notable coverage.  // Timothy :: talk  17:14, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * My plan is to add several sections on the building itself. It doesn't make sense to delete the article and simply start it over. Moreover, the two full-length Press Herald articles on the school itself constitute significant coverage.--User:Namiba 17:17, 12 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: Schools, churches, and clubs/fraternal lodges are in special circumstances for notability purposes. Sometimes they are notable for the organization that operates in the physical structure. In other cases, they are notable for the historic or architecturally significant structure in which they operate. In such cases, we typically have a single article that can discuss both the organization and the building/structure. See, e.g., Category:Roman Catholic churches in the United States by city, Category:Masonic buildings in the United States by state, Category:Schools in the United States by city or town. If this school is notable on either count (the organization or the building), it should be kept. Cbl62 (talk) 20:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.