Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Friends with Benefits (web series)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sam Walton (talk) 17:49, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Friends with Benefits (web series)

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This is supposedly some sort of web series that I guess has notability, but its tied in with the articles Ron Dias (actor) and Joanne Jansen and all three articles have done a poor job at best satisfying criteria A7 for credible claim of significance, and in the case of the two bio articles I suspect a lack of independent notability for biography related articles as well. Moreover, I suspect a conflict of interest here as the account User:Ronandaussie is alleged to be the real life Ron Dias, or so his talk page would have us believe. Since this is a cluster %#@$, I'm listing it here for community input on whether or not these three article should be deleted, merged, or redirected, and if so where at. TomStar81 (Talk) 06:12, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:16, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:16, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:16, 26 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete all per nom. Neither web series nor the actors in them get automatic Wikipedia inclusion freebies just for existing — but none of these three articles actually cite the depth of reliable sourcing needed to actually pass our inclusion criteria. There's no evidence of RS coverage in any of them — Jansen's is cited only to IMDb, Dias's is reference-bombed out the wazoo (thus bolstering the COI suspicions) with WordPress blogs and press releases, and the only non-primary source present in the series article is also a blog. This is not the kind of sourcing it takes to get a web series or an actor into Wikipedia. Bearcat (talk) 17:32, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all three per nom. As Bearcat mentioned, all three of these articles were created by the account User:Ronandaussie which appears to be the real life Ron Dias and Joanne Jansen, according to the social media links provided, which is a very clear conflict of interest. Not to mention the lack of credible, high quality third party sources to prove reasonable notability to satisfy the A7 criteria for credible claim of significance, as you mentioned, TomStar81. Samseratta (talk) 03:04, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all three. The apparent shared use name with its obvious COI should not affect the outcome of the AFD (aside from possibly making people take a closer look). If these were solid topics we would keep the articles, but they are not.
 * Joanne Jansen is the most obviously lacking notability. Sourced only to IMDB, and with acting credits of Separation Anxiety (linked to a DAB page which does not mention this film), Hap Head (which does not have a Wikiarticle), the yet to be released TV series Shadowhunters (has an article but Jansen is not listed as one of the actors, and her participation is sourced to IMDB), and the web series also included in this AFD. Not even close to meeting WP:NACTOR (or any other notability).
 * Friends with Benefits (web series) Fails WP:WEB. A web series apparently hosted on the article creator's personal YouTube channel, with a whopping budget of $50 (that wouldn't even cover pizza and beer for the cast). Per WP:WEBCRIT notability would be likely if the series has been "the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself". I'm not seeing it. We have IMDB, the web series itself, a YouTube interview, and Iscream, which appears to be a blog. Note that the Production section of this article is a verbatim copyvio from Iscream.
 * Ron Dias (actor) Pretty weak. Blog mentions of him wrt to minor music and video work that may have had local notice. Nothing notable there. Interesting that all of the many supposed sources in this article are for his earlier music/video work but this article title has "(actor)" after his name. What are his completely unsourced acting chops? Claims of unaccredited roles in two notable films, a claim of a cameo in  a short that does not have a wikiarticle, a claim of having written a film Agape that is linked to an unconnected page, a claim of 3 episodes of a notable web series (has an article with an unsourced listing of Dias as a star in the infobox, but no mention of him in the cast section  under main cast or supporting cast), the web series up for deletion in this AFD, and something called The Dred Man Chronicles which has no wikiarticle. Definitely does not meet WP:NACTOR. Does not meet WP:MUSICBIO either. I don't see him meeting any notability criterion. Meters (talk) 04:43, 27 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete all per nom and above comments. Aoba47 (talk) 14:26, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I suspect that at least some of these articles have been deleted before but I have not been able to find the logs.
 * 1) An SPA IP complained about repeated deletion of Joanne Jansen, and of repeated "blocking" of Joanne Jansen and Friends with Benefits
 * 2) Almost all of the references in the Ron Dias article have access dates from before this article was created. Meters (talk) 17:51, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. - ReZawler 14:00, 28 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ReZawler (talk • contribs)
 * Delete all The web series doesn't have secondary coverage to show notability. I am also unable to find coverage in RS for the actor bios. This looks like walled garden to me. Also Bearcat's analysis of the refboming at Ron Dias (actor) is spot on. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 08:01, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: It appears that we have a pretty clear consensus here in favour of Delete for all three based on lack of notability, after over 7 days of debating, TomStar81. Samseratta (talk) 20:50, 4 November 2016 (UTC)


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