Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frits de Voogt


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The result was delete. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 21:27, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Frits de Voogt

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Olympian who fails GNG and SPORTCRIT. The only sources that come up are yachting magazines trivially mentioning a boat designer of the same name, who does not appear to be identical with the olympian (the initials "HW" and the variant spelling "Fritz" appear for the former, but not the latter). The Dutch wikipedia doesn't have any significant coverage either. Avilich (talk) 03:18, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Avilich (talk) 03:18, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:51, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Olympics-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:51, 8 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Weak keep based on the below, otherwise redirect to Rowing at the 1952 Summer Olympics – Men's coxless four, per WP:ATD, WP:PRESERVE, WP:R and WP:CHEAP.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:43, 8 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Oh, I've just seen the edit history with Canadian Paul's link to show that a person with this name is still alive. The link is now dead, but is available via Web Archive. Name and birth match, but I'll ask for more info from CP. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:51, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The images on the Dutch page and the Web Archive article point to him being one and the same, with the translation from the Dutch wiki saying "In his active time he was a member of the student rowing club Laga in Delft . He was director and owner of F. de Voogt International Ships Design and Engineering BV and later became an advisor to this company."  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The page is still up. Upon further searching it appears that H. W. "Fritz" de Voogt was his father, so the identification is likely true even though no source I've seen until now seems to actually say it. I still don't find the sourcing to be enough (the link is not an independent source). Avilich (talk) 13:24, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:23, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete the sourcing here is clearly not enough to justify having an article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems to have won a lifetime achievement award for his post-Olympic work (even though this particular announcement is not independent, the award itself is). That, combined with his Olympic career, satisfies WP:N's presumption of notability. Canadian   Paul  02:12, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * There is no presumption of notability for olympic athletes, nor is there evidence that an award from ShowBoats Design is notable. Avilich (talk) 16:44, 15 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. Are we really claiming ANYBIO is met with a "Showboats Design Lifetime Achievement Award"?! If we can barely verify whether he's still alive, how can we consider him notable enough to have garnered SIGCOV anywhere? JoelleJay (talk) 23:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Strictly speaking we haven't yet proven the identification of the olympian with the boat designer. The data from Sportsreference technically matches, but in the absence of confirmation any attempts to treat them as one must be considered WP:SYNTH. No independent sources have been provided for the boat designer so far, and the Sportsreference link is just a stats database, so GNG isn't met either way. Avilich (talk) 14:23, 21 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete; oppose proposed redirect. The only source we have to explicitly support the rower and the shipbuilder as the same person (i.e. the Dutch Wikipedia article) is not reliable per WP:CIRC. If we cannot find a reliable source to corroborate this link, the rower fails GNG and this article should be deleted. Following that, there is the option to create an article on the shipbuilder, or a redirect to Feadship (same applies to his father Henri, and company De Voogt Naval Architects). Redirecting to a sporting event article would not be acceptable as the shipbuilding link to this name is clearly far more notable. wjematherplease leave a message... 11:52, 22 June 2022 (UTC)


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