Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frontschwester


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy delete. Speedy Delete per G5. Please contact me if you would like this article userfied. Nakon 02:17, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Frontschwester

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Created by confirmed sockpuppet of blocked user. Speedy deletion tag (G5) twice removed by new user. New case has been opened for this new account, see Sockpuppet_investigations/Sju_hav. 4ing (talk) 14:02, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. This article has a language link to Norwegian. There are numerous books in Norwegian on this topic, written by unmerited amateur historians. --Habilemonkac (talk) 14:07, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * — Habilemonkac (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * If it was written by a banned user, then Speedy Delete as a G5, otherwise Keep, it seems reasonably notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph2302 (talk • contribs) 14:31, March 20, 2015‎ (UTC)
 * At least 4 other users including myself have edited the article. --Habilemonkac (talk) 15:01, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
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 * Comment -- This is a bad article, but on an important subject. the Norwegian WP article looks much better, not being laced with statements that they were an SS organisation.  The article seems to rely mainly on two sources: a published article and a Norwegian master's thesis.  Unfortunately, my Swedish is not good enough for me to read the Norwgegian WP article or the Norwegian sources cited here.  I am unsure whther the best course is to reduce it to a stub or to delete it for someone to start again.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:43, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * "Frontsøster" is a common phrase in Norwegian and relates to women who volunteered to as health workers for the Germans in war zones during WW11. However, if you google the german phrase frontschester/n there aren't a whole lot of entries; and those who exist appear to refer as much to women in WWI as women in WWII. There may be something in here that is worthy of its own article also on WPEN; but both title and scope needs to be better defined; also in order to get the article NPOV. Iselilja (talk) 20:12, 22 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete per G5 as an article created by a blocked/banned user in violaton of block/ban; [removed own comment per CU result] Iselilja (talk) 20:12, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete (and rewrite) per G5 - recent edits have only been small additions (WP:G5), one short paragraph can be easily saved or restored. If the topic is notable, the article should be rewritten from scratch. It should be based on research from established historians and other topic experts, not primarily on a brand-new thesis from November 2014 (published in February 2015). Such sources should be used more carefully (WP:RS), especially for a controversial topic. GermanJoe (talk) 07:28, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep it seems reasonably notable. I can not see that the article says that it "were an SS organisation", although having SS-physician Ernst-Robert Grawitz as one's leader for many years might have some ramifications. --White girl syndrome (talk) 09:57, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Highly POV and despite the generic nature of the first sentence appears to concentrate almost entirely on Norwegian volunteers. The first line suggests this was just a term for German military nurses. However, the whole tone of the rest of the article seems to be highly critical of these individuals and suggests they all had close links with the SS and "were cogwheels in the Nazis' deadly race program", which seems unlikely if they were indeed just military nurses. The suggestion almost seems to be that anyone who served Germany in the Second World War was some sort of war criminal, which is POV to say the least. Some of them doubtless were; most were not. Added to which, the introduction says the term was also used in the First World War, before the Nazis and SS even existed. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:20, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: I've also opened an AfD for Foreign volunteers for nursing for Germany during World War II, created today by Habilemonkac. - 4ing (talk) 12:22, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete (and rewrite per WP:TNT) based on review. I did some minor ce, but stopped given the fact the article is badly written, has WP:RS, WP:QUOTEFARM and WP:POV issues, as well. Kierzek (talk) 15:11, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
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