Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fructus Tower


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of tallest buildings in Romania. I am not seeing any basis on which notability can be established (simply being the tallest building in a city doesn't cut it) and I note that the keep !voters don't actually argue for notability. On the others side, the delete !voters have not addressed making a redirect, part of WP:BEFORE. Having a clear target and a title that is a useful search term both underscore a redirect being a better solution than delete.Just Chilling (talk) 19:42, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Fructus Tower

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The tower, while a prominent structure in its city, lacks any notability and is 'merely' a comparatively tall building and as such I believe it fails WP:N, to the extent that the only results for this tower are Wikipedia itself. NoCOBOL (talk) 12:38, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Romania-related deletion discussions. NoCOBOL (talk) 12:38, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:02, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:02, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment I'm not great with Romanian sources, but if kept, this needs to be renamed to Fructus Plaza, which appears to be its actual title. SportingFlyer  talk  04:40, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Unfortunately, does not pass WP:NBUILD. Can't find any references. Sir Tragedy (talk) 12:20, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 12:32, 17 December 2018 (UTC) 17:38, 17 December 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Lean Keep If independent sources can be found to substantiate the claim that it is the tallest building in Timisoara, then keep. Emporis perhaps? Bkissin (talk)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kpg  jhp  jm  05:17, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Try searching "Fructus Plaza", below, and don't forget to check for Romanian-language sources:
 * – Laundry Pizza 03  ( d c&#x0304; ) 21:43, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * – Laundry Pizza 03  ( d c&#x0304; ) 21:43, 25 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. No offense to current nominator in particular, but numerous separate AFDs about individual tall buildings seem wasteful of AFD editors' attention.  It turns out almost always there exists a list of tallest buildings in a given country or city, which could be a merge/redirect target, and there is no reason for outright deletion of the nominated article.  Here, the Fructus Building is tied for 24th tallest in List of tallest buildings in Romania, and that list also implies it is the tallest building in Timisoara.  As such, there will exist documentation/sources, and I expect the article could be developed more eventually.  But no way should this be deleted. --Doncram (talk) 04:28, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete If you remove sales listings, I've only found one reliable source after extensive searching (Fructus Tower, Fructus Plaza) in multiple languages. The building fails WP:GNG. SportingFlyer  talk  07:23, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * To SportingFlyer, it is one of the tallest buildings in the country and appears to be the tallest in its city. There is no way this should be outright deleted.  We are obligated to consider good alternatives to deletion (wp:ATD), and here there is a good alternative, if it is not kept outright.  At worst it could be redirected to its row in the national list-article, i.e. specifically to List of tallest buildings in Romania, and if there is further coverage at a later date then the edit history at the redirect can be used to recreate the article. --Doncram (talk) 07:23, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Fructus Tower isn't even the proper name of the building, as I've noted above. Just because a building is tall doesn't make it notable, especially when I can't find any other reliable sources to get it past WP:GNG. SportingFlyer  talk  21:26, 30 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete It's possible for the tallest building in a city to be entirely unremarkable to the extent it fails to satisfy WP:GNG, and that appears to be the case here.--Pontificalibus 08:18, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * To Pontificalibus, I don't want to seem repetitive, but it is one of the tallest buildings in the country and appears to be the tallest in its city. There is no way this should be outright deleted.  We are obligated to consider good alternatives to deletion (wp:ATD), and here there is a good alternative, if it is not kept outright.  At worst it could be redirected to its row in the national list-article, i.e. specifically to List of tallest buildings in Romania, and if there is further coverage at a later date then the edit history at the redirect can be used to recreate the article. --Doncram (talk) 07:23, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * comment per Bkissins comment above Emporis link found and added. Factually it may be the tallest, but other than that it appears to not really be of note KylieTastic (talk) 16:16, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.