Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fuaed Abdo Ahmed


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The result was   delete. postdlf (talk) 01:32, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Fuaed Abdo Ahmed

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Is this incident of senseless violence a tragedy? Yes. However, does it meet our notability requirements for including events? For me, that's a little ehh (at this time)... Signalizing (talk) 22:08, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep This is covered in national and international media. Everybody is noting it. Part of a pattern of violence by young Arab Americans for no apparent motive. Why is it that every time somebody commits a deadly act of terrorism that hits national and international headlines, somebody else has to try to delete the article as not notable? Redhanker (talk) 22:10, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * "Significant national or international coverage is usually expected for an event to be notable" Epoch times(china), Daily Mail UKRedhanker (talk) 22:22, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The argument that it's "part of a pattern of violence by young Arab Americans for no apparent motive" is entirely presumptuous. I haven't even been able to find an Op-Ed after half an hour of searching to suggest as much (the only source I found from today that's even remotely close was an update on a hostage's condition from Reuters). At this point, there's no larger motive besides a mentally unstable man who believed he had a chip in his brain holding and killing hostages inside a bank. At this point, I think this kind of story is more appropriate for Wikinews than it would be for Wikipedia. Signalizing (talk) 22:37, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd also encourage you to take a look at WP:ONEEVENT to see why some event articles get deleted as non-notable. Signalizing (talk) 22:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
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 * I originally wrote most of this article and filed it in a separate section of St. Joseph, Louisiana. Someone else made it into a separate article and left a stub of the story under St. Joseph. I then added some links to Briarfield Academy, East Carroll Parish, and Tensas Parish. If it is deleted, I think the article should be returned to the section under St. Joseph. Billy Hathorn (talk) 00:10, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete This isn't Wikinews; see WP:BLP1E. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:08, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * comment ...not the case that the event is significant and the individual's role within it is substantial and well-documented – as in the case of John Hinckley, Jr., who shot President Ronald Reagan in 1981. This was a significant event, it was not covered only by the local TV news or paper on some crime blotter like the theft of a lawn mower or car. Ahmed killed two people and himself was shot by SWAT police, it made international headlines, he was Arab, and he posted cartoons and artwork about hostages and violence against "tyranny" so it appears he did have a political motive, and he did indicate support for Islam. There is a well established pattern of censorship by deletion of individuals who commit crimes similar to terrorist acts who have ties to ethnic or religious groups with common motives to commit terrorism .Redhanker (talk) 14:27, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * comment There is certainly more to this than an unstable mental case, or a bank robbery which appear to have been parts to staging a cover story for terrorism. It was clearly not a bank robbery as he did not ask for money and had books on hostage taking. The Reuter story makes explicit links to terrorist activity in Yemen, even if links to Al Qaeda have not yet been proven: update makes links to middle east obvious ... notes about a recent trip to Dubai. Ahmed was the California-born son of Yemeni parents. Police said there was no indication of any link to recent threats of attacks on the United States originating from Yemen. Earlier this month, the United States temporarily closed several of its embassies and consulates, including in Yemen, over security concerns. "We don't have any reason to believe there was any connection," Paxton said., This looks a lot like the 2013 Santa Monica shooting which also involved an American born Arab with parents from another nation with terrorist activity, Lebanon, and the Discovery Communications headquarters hostage crisis which was another young man with immigrant parents who made extremist political demands. Neither of these incidents was deemed "not notable" just because it wasn't the shooting of a president. Redhanker (talk) 15:22, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete There's absolutely nothing here that would suggest this event will get continuing coverage. There's not even a hint that there will be any lasting impacts from this. IMO, this definitely doesn't pass WP:EVENT. Transcendence (talk) 01:52, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NOTNEWS : No lasting significance.  LGA talk  edits   06:10, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete: Not significant, not the news, and is not encyclopedic. Crtew (talk) 00:57, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
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