Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fuck the War EP


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Angry Samoans. Title seems useful as a redirect, but there is consensus to delete the current article content. RL0919 (talk) 13:00, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Fuck the War EP

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Unsourced and tagged for notability since 2010. Fails WP:NALBUM and WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:17, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Albums and songs, United States of America,  and California. UtherSRG (talk) 19:17, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Maybe redirect if the name is sufficiently unambiguous to make it worth it. Notability is not demonstrated and the author shares a name with a member of the band. Maybe that is a real COI or maybe not but it certainly doesn't inspire any additional confidence. --DanielRigal (talk) 20:18, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Nothing found for this album. "This Is Us" hits on this phrase in google, nothing we can use for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 20:23, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * KEEP.
 * User:DanielRigal - "The author shares a name with a member of the band." Indeed, I share TWO - my brother's and my own former legal surname, "Saunders!" We interacted previously on my Talk page at [] where User:Dronebogus was subjecting me to harassment over my writing style as expressed in Talk, objecting to the label "truscum" fallaciously touted as "reclaimed language" in the article on Transmedicalism as HATE SPEECH, which it surely is? What a JERK! (Dronebogus, whoever THAT is!)
 * I co-founded the Angry Samoans in 1979, with my name as given at birth, "Kevin [Eric 'Bonze'] Saunders," which my doltish colleagues (including my 4-years elder brother "Metal Mike" Saunders) decided was "Kevin Saunders" on our later releases without bothering to consult me.
 * INTERESTING FACTOID: User:UtherSRG or Stacey Robert Greenstein has worked for THREE of MY customers for dataComet, SAIC (Strategic Applications International Corporation), Raytheon (as Hughes Aircraft MS), AND Lockheed Martin (MS, manufacturers of the big Space Shuttle hydrogen tank and now LNG tanks)!
 * Now I don't want to cast any aspersions on the character of a person likewise involved in producing products used by the military-industrial complex - Hughes MS produces torpedoes! - is that cool or what? - but it's just conceivable that somebody Stacey knows with Lockheed or somesuch (I have four friends who worked down there in Owego?) suggested he take this down because the ANGRY SAMOANS have always held to an anti-war perspective - except where WAR was absolutely necessary, like say WWII? And on this very album we have my brother's tune "Let's Burn the Flag" - this upsets some people, but the Samoans are in fact at the "artsy" end of the PUNK-ROCK spectrum, what with the fannage for Alien Invasions ("Not of This Earth") and radical free speech and the like? (I was a member of the California Libertarian Party 11th District Executive Committee over "my time in the PUNK-ROCK service" lol 1978-1979. That's me on the far left at 1m17s! With the hair, wearing a DUST ME OFF promotional tee for the Fabulous Thirty Fingers of [DUST]? That's me! I'M NOW A GOVERNMENT-CERTIFIED TRANSSEXUAL! Cool, huh?)
 * Yes, I AM Bonze Annette Rose Blayk, barmayden and COMETMONGER. *I* have a COI here? Well… potentially… uh…
 * I don't get paid to do this. Sorry, it's a fact! You think this release isn't "notable" because it wasn't reviewed in the New York Times? It's PUNK-ROCK! Released on CD by a noteworthy punk-rock outfit! - Annette bonze blayk (talk) 04:51, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * None of this has anything to do with any of that except that I only saw that this was up for deletion because I still have your User Talk page on my automatic watchlist from before. I had completely forgotten about who you are or why we had previously interacted. I sincerely promise you that my !vote to delete has absolutely nothing to do with you being trans (In fact, I had forgotten that you are) or with that previous, entirely unrelated, issue. Nor is it any sort of value judgement about the quality of the music on the EP, which I have not heard. This is about the notability of the EP, nothing else. Not all music is notable. That doesn't mean it is bad. This is not a slight on you or the band.
 * Now, I appreciate that you are angry because you feel that you have been attacked here. I sincerely promise you that this is not the case. Your borderline incomprehensible !vote above does nothing to help your case and I really do think that you need to go back and remove all the personal attacks and irrelevant digressions.
 * Anyway, I've looked into the EP a little further and it sounds like Bad Trip Records might actually be Angry Samoans self-releasing. I'm not sure about that but, if so, that would suggest that this EP is less notable than their previous notable releases on Triple X Records.
 * If you know of anything that does demonstrate the notability of the EP then please let us know. That is the only thing that might actually affect the outcome here. "Fuck the war" is a fairly generic phrase and that makes it harder to search for coverage of this specific EP. If there is anything that meets WP:RS that we have not found then please do mention it. It doesn't have to be the New York Times. --DanielRigal (talk) 12:11, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * User:DanielRigal, "borderline incomprensible?"
 * You mean TL;DR. You could have tried to improve the article, but instead, I get more insults.
 * - Annette bonze blayk (talk) 13:14, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The article on Bad Trip Records was targeted in a WP:DELETIONIST campaign some years ago and redirected to Angry Samoans.
 * Bad Trip Records is a division of *my* corporation, DATABEAST INC., which is not a non-profit corporation, but BAD TRIP RECORDS is not about personal profit! This is a FREE website, not another Google Adwords playground!
 * - Annette bonze blayk (talk) 13:22, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:BLUDGEON. Also please refrain from shouting, going off-topic, posting walls of text, and especially attacking other users. Please let the AfD process play out. Thanks for your cooperation. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  22:17, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I have not insulted you. Your !vote was genuinely very confusing. I have no idea why you are talking about military equipment, for example. (Please don't bother explaining it further unless it is directly relevant to the notability of the EP. It doesn't actually matter to the outcome here.) That is all I meant by "incomprehensible". Please go back and edit your !vote to take out the inappropriate/irrelevant parts. As for me editing the article, if I had found any good sources that we could use to demonstrate notability then I would have added it and changed my !vote but I didn't find anything.
 * Thanks for confirming that you are the owner of Bad Trip Records. I'm afraid that this is a conflict of interests when it comes to this issue. As the owner of the label, I assume that you kept notes of any media coverage it got? In fact, you might be the one person best placed to know whether there was any. Please let us know about any coverage that the EP received. As I said, it does have to be RS but it doesn't have to be a major publication like the NYT. Specialist music magazines, local newspapers, etc are all potentially valid. --DanielRigal (talk) 13:34, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Discogs says that this EP was released on Triple X Records. I'm not sure if that was a joint release or separate but, either way, this means that the EP is not entirely self-released and that does address one of my concerns above. I've added that to the article. I don't think it is enough to save it as I still can't find any RS coverage even after adding "Triple X" to the search. --DanielRigal (talk) 14:18, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It's nothing personal boys and girls, and please, keep it short. We don't have time to read rambling musings that have nothing to do with the subject at hand. Peace and love. Oaktree b (talk) 22:54, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * - Annette bonze blayk (talk) 13:22, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:BLUDGEON. Also please refrain from shouting, going off-topic, posting walls of text, and especially attacking other users. Please let the AfD process play out. Thanks for your cooperation. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  22:17, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I have not insulted you. Your !vote was genuinely very confusing. I have no idea why you are talking about military equipment, for example. (Please don't bother explaining it further unless it is directly relevant to the notability of the EP. It doesn't actually matter to the outcome here.) That is all I meant by "incomprehensible". Please go back and edit your !vote to take out the inappropriate/irrelevant parts. As for me editing the article, if I had found any good sources that we could use to demonstrate notability then I would have added it and changed my !vote but I didn't find anything.
 * Thanks for confirming that you are the owner of Bad Trip Records. I'm afraid that this is a conflict of interests when it comes to this issue. As the owner of the label, I assume that you kept notes of any media coverage it got? In fact, you might be the one person best placed to know whether there was any. Please let us know about any coverage that the EP received. As I said, it does have to be RS but it doesn't have to be a major publication like the NYT. Specialist music magazines, local newspapers, etc are all potentially valid. --DanielRigal (talk) 13:34, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Discogs says that this EP was released on Triple X Records. I'm not sure if that was a joint release or separate but, either way, this means that the EP is not entirely self-released and that does address one of my concerns above. I've added that to the article. I don't think it is enough to save it as I still can't find any RS coverage even after adding "Triple X" to the search. --DanielRigal (talk) 14:18, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It's nothing personal boys and girls, and please, keep it short. We don't have time to read rambling musings that have nothing to do with the subject at hand. Peace and love. Oaktree b (talk) 22:54, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:30, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete I guess I should actually vote. Unsourced for thirteen years and no chart appearances, plus COI. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  16:54, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Angry Samoans as an ATD. Liz Read! Talk! 22:27, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete. Due to lack of notability and possible conflicts of interests, I believe that we need to delete this article.Gabe114 (talk) 18:39, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete Absolute junk.   scope_creep Talk  04:17, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.