Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fudgie Frottage


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 02:54, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Fudgie Frottage

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Does not establish notability Michael Johnson 03:34, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean by "does not establish notability?" Fudgie is a performer who is very well known in the LGBT community. He has also appeared on television shows and in films, as are listed on the page. There are newspaper and magazine articles backing up his credibility and notability.

Why is he any different from drag queen performer: Peaches Christ, who is listed on wikipedia? I can make Fudgie's info more like drag performer Lady Bunny's by including a bio for Lu Read and having the current bio be for Fudgie the way Kiki & Herb have a fictional bio and list their real names. I am willing to cooperate with wikipedia standards. --Dr.feel.goo 06:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Edison, though it is true the san francisco chronicle article interviews Lu Read and does not actually print his stage name, and eros-zine interviews Fudgie in character, how can you refute the photographs? The two are wearing the same outfit in one. Also there are too many similarities in each article to think the two are different people. Certainly not every Lady Bunny press article mentions her real name!

JulesH, I will rewrite the entry to include more about Lu Read.--Dr.feel.goo 17:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Note - Since the article has been improved enough for me to do an about face, I think it would not be inappropriate for someone to contact the other editors supporting deletion, and ask them to reevaluate the article. I would do it myself, but I am pressed for time. But if someone else wants to do so, you have my support. - Crockspot 16:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

*Delete I love the first two characters of the page:  ==  Non notable, nonsense, bollocks, by the way. Giggy UCP 08:43, 25 July 2007 (UTC) Keep, sufficiently improved to assert notability. Giggy UCP 01:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete - NN, lead seems like nonesense. - Crockspot 06:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * keep from delete. It is so much better now. -- Anonymous Dissident  Talk 00:18, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. You gotta be kidding. WP:BOLLOCKS. Realkyhick 07:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Update: Keep my vote at delete, but change reason to lack of notability. I still don't see what sets this, uh, "performer" apart from others of this genre. Realkyhick 22:24, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Am I correct in the assumption (not actually stated explicitly by either source or the article) that Fudgie Frottage is the stage name of Lu Read? If so, rename to Lu Read and rewrite from an out-of-universe perspective.  We have two in-depth sources to establish notability, so this clearly is a notable act.  It's just the current article doesn't really make that clear. JulesH 08:09, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Dumb hoax that includes some nasty libellous stuff about real people. (Update: The libellous stuff has now been marked as "fictional", but that only makes it very slightly less egregious IMHO.  Downgraded from speedy, but notability still borderline at best.) Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  12:48, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per Andrew Lenahan. Rather nonsensical, contains some stuff that could be BLP violations, and appears to be substantially lifted from the second source and might even qualify for a copyvio speedy. ɑʀкʏɑɴ 15:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete I did not see Lu Read mentioned in the Fudgie article, nor did I see Fudgie mentioned in the Read article. MySpace is not a reliable or independent source. Fails WP:OR, WP:BIO. Edison 17:04, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Per refs recently added. The article is still light on bio section which should indicate that Lu is (presumably) biologically female, and that Fudgie is just a male character, since only the male pronouns are used. That Lu is a gender ambiguous name does not help. Please help out the clueless and easily bewildered. Edison 05:15, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep Fudgie is a prolific and well known performer and producer in the San Francisco underground for well over a decade even though the un-wikified article does a poor job in expressing that. Please note according to Deletion policy "If the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing, rather than deletion." Which apparently was never attempted with any prompts tags or discussion.
 * Keep - article now appears to assert notability. - Philippe &#124; Talk 22:49, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - It has been improved, and I actually understand who this person is now. I would still like to see it better sourced. I got a dozen google news archive hits, I'll post a link on the talk page. Use it. - Crockspot 23:05, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Given the work done on the article, I would now vote Keep. There still needs to be a lot more work done, especially on sources. It is also starting to read like a promo piece and the POV language needs to be cleaned up. --Michael Johnson 00:19, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - per Philippe. I also did some cleanup on it. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  05:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, article is greatly improved and well sourced now, notability more than asserted. Ten Pound Hammer  • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 17:17, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep References found. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 18:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.