Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Furkan Şeker


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The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:24, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Furkan Şeker

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Restored PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. Article was restored on the grounds that he has played in the Turkish Cup and for the Turkish U17 team. WP:NSPORT explicitly excludes youth footballers and his only appearance in the cup was against a lower division club. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:34, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


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 * Delete: In short, the PROD restorer made no attempt to assess whether the reasons for the prodding were accurate. (gazes upward)   Ravenswing   07:24, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. He played in the quarter-final of the 2010–11 Turkish Cup, and was an unused substitute in the final, so went home with a winners' medal, as Besiktas won that final. Might not be enough to confer notability, though I imagine it would if someone played for a Premier League club in the English FA Cup and was on the bench as that club won the FA Cup Final, but it seems a perfectly adequate rationale for removing the PROD. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:07, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Struway's research shows enough for a credible claim to notability; article needs improving, not deleting. GiantSnowman 07:35, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete – I disagree with Struway. If reliable independent sources haven't provided non-trivial significant coverage on him participating in the quarterfinals or as an unused substitute in the final (so as to pass WP:GNG), then I don't think he is notable enough to deserve an article – especially since he also fails WP:NFOOTY. – Kosm  1  fent  15:00, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I hate to put words in another users mouth, but it seems to me Struway's comment was intended more as a response to Ravenswing comment about the restoration of the article. While being in an unused substitute in a cup final doesn't in and of itself confer notability, it is a good enough indicator that a person might be notable to merit the more detailed scrutiny of an afd. That being, my research has yielded nothing to show that Mr. Şeker is in fact notable. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:24, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It was. I'm uncomfortable with this one. The player technically fails NFOOTY by never having played in a league listed as fully professional. I'd find it hard to believe that someone hadn't received enough coverage to pass GNG if they'd played a full season in the Turkish 2nd division, and played in under-age internationals, and appeared twice for a biggish capital-city FPL club in their run to the cup final, and was on the bench as they won that final. The tr:wiki article tr:Furkan Şeker is well-developed, but with little non-trivial sourcing. Unfortunately my Turkish is never likely to get past the "two beers please" level, and Google-translate struggles with converting the language into anything resembling English, so I can't do anything towards improving the article or even confirming the existence of enough RS to justify a presumption of notability. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:40, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The help of a Turkish-speaking editor would be vital here. Just don't let them see Struway's comment about Besiktas, how can you refer to the club as just "biggish"...?! :P – Kosm  1  fent  17:54, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Playing for a team from a fully pro league against an amateur team in a cup-match does not confer notability, even if his team later won the same cup. Though, I see Struway's points, but I don't think it's enough for an article yet. Mentoz86 (talk) 18:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify the status of his cup opponents (not in any way arguing against your delete opinion): He played in the group stage against 3rd-tier club Konya Şekerspor, and in the QF against Gaziantep B.B., who that season fell one point short of automatic promotion to the Süper Lig and then lost 1–0 in the playoff final. The Turkish 3rd and particularly 2nd tiers aren't proven "fully pro" per WP:FPL, but that doesn't make their teams amateur. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:53, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Article does not currently meet GNG - the references are generally just match line-ups and stats sites. Picking up on Struway's point though, if in-depth Turkish language sources can be found that may well suggest it should be kept. Eldumpo (talk) 21:27, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
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