Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fusil automático Bogotá


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  07:54, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Fusil automático Bogotá

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Completely non-notable and largely fabricated article that fails WP:GNG and WP:OR – I'm not even sure this doesn't qualify as a speedy delete under G3 or A11, but the original PROD was contested so it has to go to AfD. The article creator was indefinitely blocked for multiple sock accounts, mostly making inaccurate, dubious or made-up claims regarding guns. The facts, as stated in the two Spanish-language references, are that on July 8, 2013 there was an weapons amnesty in the district of Usme in Bogotá. Among the weapons handed in to the police was a homemade rifle – there were also homemade grenades and homemade pistols among the other weapons. And that's all the references tell you. The name of the gun/article (it translates as "automatic rifle Bogota" for those who don't speak Spanish) appears to be made up by the article's creator, as is the "catalog number" which appears to have been created from the initials of "Fusil automático Bogotá" and the 5.56 caliber... although as the caliber is not mentioned anywhere in any of the references, this also appears to be a fabrication. The description of the gun in the article is also original research, as there is no description of it in the Spanish-language references – it seems to come from the English blog used as the third reference and the editor's own analysis of the pictures of the gun in the news articles. In short, an effort has been made to present the gun as some kind of unique historical artefact worthy of a Wikipedia article, when in fact it's just something that was knocked up in someone's back yard. Richard3120 (talk) 23:40, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Colombia-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 23:40, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Upmerge' to some broader scope article (as previously discussed on the article talk: page).  I can't argue against the technicalities of the AfD here. But I do think there's a notable topic and scope for home-made firearms within this conflict. Such firearms have been a significant aspect of many similar guerilla conflicts and the particular constraints of a conflict have influenced them in a notable way - compare the crude 'stick and nail' zip guns of the Mau Mau and the 80% receivers in the current US. The situation in Bogotá is similar to the US - ammunition and barrels are freely available, but the desire is for automatic firepower. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:37, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * you say "within this conflict" – which conflict are you talking about? If you mean the war against the FARC guerrillas, this has absolutely nothing to do with them. The sources don't mention any relationship with the guerrillas, and living in Bogota and knowing the city, I would be absolutely amazed if this had any connection with the FARC whatsoever, because they don't operate (at least overtly) in the major cities. Also, they are one of the richest guerrilla organizations in the world and can buy the finest weapons known to man – they certainly wouldn't be bothering with anything homemade. I would bet everything I own that this was a weapon created by a member of a small-time gang (Usme is a poor and fairly dangerous part of Bogotá) in order to fight with another gang or to use against the police, just like any other poor barrio in any other South American country, reagrdless of whether it's suffering from an internal conflict. This gun is one of hundreds, if not thousands, of homemade weapons made every year, even in countries with no fighting (I bet the police recover many homemade weapons in the US, for example). If you want to create an article about homemade weaponry in general I have no objection, but this article should absolutely not be merged into any other article regarding the guerrilla conflict in Colombia, because it would be original research and completely false. Richard3120 (talk) 18:21, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 15:06, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * DELETE WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE...A one of a kind homemade rifle turned in to Colombian police during an amnesty period has zero notability.--RAF910 (talk) 20:31, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Lots of original research here. The spanish-language sources don't actually provide a name, caliber, or any other pertinent information about the weapon. Its notability is entirely limited to news reports about its seizure, so WP:ONEEVENT applies here.  A  Train ''talk 09:42, 5 October 2016 (UTC)


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