Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fuziyah al-Ouni (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 10:42, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Fuziyah al-Ouni
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Contested Prod (don't know why). There is no assertion of notability here. She's named as a human rights activist (so am I) who was "involved" in an abuse case (how involved). A source has been provided which "mentions her", but all it does it relate a bland quote from her about this one case. Google News gives nothing - and Google itself not much more than this one case and "activist". Sorry, probably a righteous woman, but unless we can say something significant about her, and verify it, we need to delete. Scott Mac (Doc) 00:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * All Google gives are attributions of the same quote to the Saudi Gazette: "By sentencing her to 90 lashes they are sending a message that she is guilty. No rape victim is guilty." Good quote, but not nearly enough to justify an article.--Scott Mac (Doc) 00:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

This article did survive the first attempt at deletion, see Articles for deletion/Fuziyah al-Ouni. Have things changed much since then? PatGallacher (talk)
 * No sources were provided then either, and only three people opined. I hope we can do better this time. Can you find anything else on this woman that would make her merit an article? Why do you think she does? I can't see the case for keeping this at all? What is it?--Scott Mac (Doc) 01:08, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Article fails to establish notability. Hekerui (talk) 02:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.  -- KuroiShiroi (talk) 05:00, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:03, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete almost A7; one article mentions here. She was "involved" in something which although tragic apparently isn't very notable. "Involved" is a big weasel word - if some guy holds the door open for Marcia Clark during the OJ trial is he now "involved" in that trial (a notable event unlike the minor case in which this subject was "involved") and get a WP bio? Does chivalry=notability? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:59, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Contrary to the nominator, there are 4 sources via google news if you remove the time restriction. Notability is not temporary.   I added those sources and more as external links, which could be made into references.  Jwray (talk) 09:58, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Trivial: the first source mentions the subject near then end and all it can muster is: "Fuziyah al-Ouni, described as an activist by the paper, said she was outraged by the case. “By sentencing her to 90 lashes they are sending a message that she is guilty. No rape victim is guilty,” she said."; the second mention is vebatim the first; the third source doesn't even mention the subject; the fourth source doesn't mention the subject either; the fifth source repeats the first's one-liner verbatim. There is one source with one line about the subject here. Do not be fooled on April Fools Day. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:26, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Tough to get news about women activists in a part of the world where they have so few rights. Might not even be surprised if Fuziyah al-Ouni herself received a few lashes for speaking up. Are their any Arabic wikipedians who could do a better search?  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 06:54, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


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