Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fyodor Gavrilov


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The result was no consensus. Been open for over a month now, three relists and no additional input since 27 August. Eddie891 Talk Work 17:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Fyodor Gavrilov

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Apparent WP:NARTIST fail. I cannot find anything about this painter, and there is no equivalent in the Russian Wikipedia. I don't know how to back-transliterate this name into Cyrillic, so perhaps those who do can find something. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 14:23, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Google Translate gives the Cyrillic equivalent as Федор Гаврилов, which appears to have some hits, but I am not in a position to evaluate them. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 14:52, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , that is correct. The Russian disambig Гаврилов, Фёдор only lists two other people. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 16:37, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 14:23, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I've never heard of this artists, and Wikidata links to a europeana entry that doesn't exist, beut has his name as Fedor. The Kalinin Regional Picture Gallery is probably the Tver Regional Picture Gallery https://gallery.tverreg.ru/ (Tver used to be called Kalinin) I searched their catalog but came up with nothing. I suspect that Nikita Kozhin is Никита Иванович Кожин, but not ru:Кожин, Александр Иванович, also know as Nikita, apparently. Still, I came up empty. Maybe the creator  knows more? Vexations (talk) 20:38, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , this source contains an entry for him, stating pretty much what's in the Wikipedia article; that there's a portrait by him in the Tver gallery. A little more searching last night found a couple of other dictionaries with similar entries (I didn't make note of their names - I'll try to find more links later). I doubt very much there will be more to say about him, which then begs the question of whether or not he's worth writing about in the first place. I think he is, largely because of the fact that we know his name at all - how many Russian painters of the 18th century, working outside the main urban centers, can we say that about? -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:56, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , the text you cite is translated by Google as "GAVRILOV, Fyodor (2nd half of the 18th century) - painter. A portrait of his work is available in Tver Regional Art Gallery." (I don't speak Russian, so I depend on machine translations) That's not quite what the article says, and I find it a bit odd that the Tver Gallery itself has a lot of work online by Russian painters of the 18th century, working outside the main urban centers, but not this artist? I'm OK with keeping the entry, but only if we can verify that there is indeed such a painting, and where he worked. You seems t assume he worked outside the main urban centers, but we don't really know that, do we? To answer your question: I can find several: Grigory Ostrovsky and Vasily Tropinin for example. Vexations (talk) 11:52, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The painting exists. It is illustrated in the book cited in the article, which was published in 1976 (we have an article about the exhibition curator, Savva Yamshchikov.) Why this particular painting was not digitized, I do not know...I find, though, that oftentimes smaller regional museums, both in the US and abroad, don't bother digitizing much more than the highlights of the collection. (Something which has frustrated my research many a time over the years.) I will try and scan it tonight, but can't guarantee a good copy. I'll update and smooth out the article tonight - I suspect part of the problem is that it's based on an outdated (i.e. Soviet) source. As to the point about the other two artists - I actually created Grigory Ostrovsky using the same source. :-) (He is particularly interesting to me because of the fact that 17 of his works were found at once, in one location.) And Tropinin is something of a special case, in that while he did live outside of the urban centers for much of his life, he was educated in Saint Petersburg, he wasn't an itinerant, and he ultimately lived in Moscow. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:12, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –&#8239;Joe (talk) 07:49, 4 September 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:23, 13 September 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (Talk) 15:23, 23 September 2020 (UTC)


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