Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/G10 (Canadian universities)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was keep. Sockpuppets not included. Mailer Diablo 12:31, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

G10 (Canadian universities)
Unverified, and non-notable. I've never seen this used in relation to these Universities. Delete Ardenn 03:47, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - So because one user hasn't seen it, we should delete it? It is verified, many instances on UWO's website, as cited on the article itself. This is the equivalent of the Ivy League in the US, would we consider deleting that? I think not. This is a very noteable group of the most prestigious research-intensive schools in Canada, there is no reason for deletion. pm_shef 03:51, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete unless the page better asserts its notability. So some University presidents purportedly (there's no link to verify it) meet once in a while.  So what?  That needs to be answered.  --Hyperbole 03:52, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, obviously. Brian G. Crawford 03:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. &mdash; Deckill e r 04:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep just added a primary source to the article that proves it's existance and notability. Seraphim  04:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and allow for organic growth. Bahn Mi 04:15, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, seems notable enough. Pm shef makes a good point about the nomination. Roy  boy cr ash  fan  [[Image:Flag of Texas.svg|30px]] 04:16, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge and delete. While the designation is special, and should be retained, there's no need to have an article on this, as it is a finite list with enough Google hits to satisfy notability (though most of them come from the constituent schools).  It would be much more useful to do a "List of G-10 schools" and add that bit of information to the individual articles on each school.  I'll propose this on talk. MSJapan 05:02, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Please also note that the G10 Template has also been nominated for deletion. pm_shef 05:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Merge and delete. As per MSJapan. Poche1 05:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as per pm_shef, notability established. Silensor 05:32, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete: Universities have "informal gatherings" all the time. If there were a funding connection that might mean something. Peter Grey 06:43, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Note the question is not whether the schools are notable, it's whether this ad hoc consortium is meaningful or is just a top ten list made up in school one day. I attended University of Waterloo 10 years ago and never heard the term, although there were other grouping of universities (Maclean's rankings, government post-secondary programs) that were commonly known. Peter Grey 06:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Many of the uses of this term can be found on the Western Ontario site, but I've been able to find it on other sites in the G10 and a few mentions elsewhere. May not be a term very well-known outside of Canada, but seems used enough to be notable nevertheless. &mdash; Rebelguys2 talk 06:47, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Question: How likely is it that a Wiki-user would look for this infiormation under this title ? Unless it is significant, I would suggest that the material be '''transferred' to a Canada-specific l,ocation. -- Simon Cursitor 07:21, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Answer: Pretty damn likely. G10 is a disambiguation page.  That's how Wikipedia works.  Silensor 07:23, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, bur "Formed over 10 years ago"? A little research wouldn't hurt. ProhibitOnions 10:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak delete without prejudice should further supporting info become available &rArr;    SWAT Jester   [[Image:Flag_of_Iceland.svg|18px|]]  Ready    Aim    Fire!  10:38, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep seems notable enough. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 10:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to Group of Ten (Canadian universities) (G10 is rarely used online at least). There are many similar cooperative groupings of Universities that are notable. Most references online seem to be to student exchange programme cooperation. See my search here. This does not mean that research cooperation is not a big part, but that exchange programmes are much more likely to have search hits, whereas research cooperation is much more internal. The article needs to be improved, but it should certainly be kept. jnothman talk 11:38, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename as per jnothman. Also, quite a convincing Gsearch.  Certainly, if we have Ivy League and Atlantic Coast Conference and tons of others, this can stay.  And as others say, it is true that this organization is most trumpeted by UWO and not so much by McGill, but this is also natural.  Harvard  doesn't spend a lot of time talking "Ivy League", but Dartmouth and UPenn do. --Deville (Talk) 12:32, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I think the above google result inflates the numbers. If I add in the names of the universities themselves [(Here McGill and UofT, two of the most prominent), the result falls to under 1000.  I noticed following the above link I was hitting room numbers and the like pretty quickly. [[User:Eusebeus|Eusebeus]] 14:04, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment If the consensus is to Keep, I will take it on myself to dig up some more detailed (non-online) sources to expand this article. pm_shef 16:53, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep I was aware of this association before stumbling upon it in Wikipedia.Ramdrake 17:19, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, and Rename per jnothman -- I'm from Michigan, and I've heard of them! Makes me wonder who is this Canadian named Ardenn, why s/he thinks Old Four was a hoax, and exactly what university s/he attended? -- William Allen Simpson 18:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Assume good faith. That said, it doesn't matter what Uni I attended, I still haven't heard of either of them, and I'm from Ottawa. Ardenn 18:51, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * While I understand the Assume Good Faith rule, one does need to wonder why this user has been attacking everything to do with McGill. The Redmen, the G10, the Old Four, etc. pm_shef 19:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not attacking. I'm asking questions and asking for in the case of G10 and Old Four for verification, and for cited sources. It's a free society, I'm allowed to ask questions. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Ardenn 19:22, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep and as also mentionned above, strongly support renaming to Group of Ten (Canadian universities) --Stephane Charette 20:24, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -- I'd never heard of them before, but a quick google on Waterloo's site suggests that certainly Waterloo knows what it is; one of the documents is dated August 1995, so 10 years seems reasonable as well. Kraigus 00:56, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and add references. --BDD 02:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, per Peter Grey. Skeezix1000 13:47, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -- I didn't know a thing about it, but the references are there and it seems fair enough. --DarkEvil 02:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --Heqs 03:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, to allow for promised expansion; perhaps rename per voters above. Encyclopedic subject. Samaritan 15:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - Notable if referenced. This guy is wasting everyones time. 130.113.111.210 16:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. "I've never heard of them" isn't grounds for deletion; otherwise, Wikipedia inclusion would be based on its editors' ignorance rather than their knowledge. Monicasdude 21:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, It will grow, give it a chance.--Greenmind 04:12, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, I've heard of it before. I think someone is bitter because their alma mater is not on the list. This group is similar to the Group of 8 in Australia and the Russell Group in the UK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.149.0.223 (talk • contribs)
 * Assume good faith. Ardenn 15:13, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep There are no grounds for deletion. But the article definately needs to be expanded.  Deletion may be coming up because this article hasn't been listed as a STUB. if someone has the time/knowhow, that could help--Soorej 06:35, 2 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.