Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GURPS Runal (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep --Haemo 20:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

GURPS Runal
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Book of gaming instructions (written in Japanese) that fails notability guidlines WP:BK as article details game elements, provides no context, and links to publisher and other books do not demonstrate notability for this entry from an independent viewpoint. Enthusiasts will say it is part of a notable series GURPS, but lack of article content suggests that this article does not contribute to this assertion. --Gavin Collins 22:29, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Neutral I quite agree on the non-notability of this item. But: Modifying my opinion to keep, in view of the later reference to the Runal novels. Moreover: (this editing: Goochelaar 13:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC))
 * notability guidelines WP:BK are not relevant here, because the subject is a book of "gaming instructions", while those guidelines explicitely exclude reference works and instruction manuals;
 * Gavin, please let the "enthusiasts", if and when they appear, have their say without you trying to anticipate their arguments. Thanks, Goochelaar 22:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Hmm, this is a Japanese book that is apparently the setting of over 20 novels? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this may be notable, but that sources in English may be thin on the ground. I suggest somebody check the Japanese Wikipedia for information.  Or at least, that somebody who knows Japanese check the publisher's website:   isn't going to help me, even if I installed the right character set, it wouldn't tell me if the Emperor of Japan had declared it as a Holy Book.  I suggest at the least, consultation with bi-lingual Wikipedians.  The same applies to any action on Group SNE.  FrozenPurpleCube 23:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I've looked, and I can't see any game elements on the page. I don't think there's anything even remotely related to the GURPS system at all on the page.  Disadvantages?  Advantages?  Templates?  Lenses?  Skills?  Nope, none of that. FrozenPurpleCube 23:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions.   -- FrozenPurpleCube 23:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep if the 20+ novels claim can be verified, otherwise Redirect to List of GURPS books Percy Snoodle 12:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment For those interested, I've set up a discussion on Talk:List of GURPS books where we can hopefully handle this subject directly without further AFD's. FrozenPurpleCube 15:18, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete yet another GURPS book with no coverage from independent reliable sources Corpx 00:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Did you look for Japanese sources? FrozenPurpleCube 01:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Burden of proof to find the said sources lie does not lie on me.  I looked within my available means.   Corpx 01:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And? You didn't say you had looked for them, so how am I to know?  And in this case, the foreign language sources are likely to be the important ones.  So I asked.  And I repeat the question, did you look for Japanese sources?  If you have, then that'd mean something.  If you haven't, then we're still waiting to hear from somebody familiar enough with the language. FrozenPurpleCube 04:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I did not look for Japanese sources. Corpx 09:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment A link has been added in the article to the Amazon page with the novels related to this setting. So they should at least exist. --Goochelaar 09:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep since connection to 20+ books series seems to have been confirmed. Article does clearly need work, though. Edward321 02:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per recently-added reference for notability. -- JHunterJ 12:25, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable enough that a unique GURPS game setting be created in another language, I don't know of hand if even AD&D hass been released in Japanese, and to be the basis of 20+ novels makes it doubly notable.KTo288 02:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as the game has spawned over 20 novels, which makes it definitely notable. And yes, D&D/AD&D has been released in Japan. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment thanks Nihonjoe for satisfying my curiousity.KTo288 17:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. I should note that I own a GURPS set in Japanese, as well as two of the Runal novels. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related-related deletions. --Gavin Collins 16:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.