Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gabriel de Saint Nicholas


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The result was   speedy delete WP:CSD - long-running hoax, previously deleted several times under different names, see WP:Articles for deletion/Gabriel Constantin von Kasa-Hunyady and WP:Sockpuppet investigations/NYCsociety. JohnCD (talk) 19:09, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Gabriel de Saint Nicholas

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See Articles for deletion/Erica Ricolfi-Doria. That deleted article says she was born as Erica Veronica von und zu Daun, married Count Andreas Kasa-Hunyady, and had a son called Gabriel Constantin, and she is the mother claimed for the present subject, "Gabriel de Saint Nicholas" (see its Ahnentafel), but I can find no reliable sources for a noble Hungarian family called "Kasa-Hunyady", which the Ahnentafel traces back for five generations. George, Crown Prince of Serbia, who is claimed as an ancestor of "Gabriel de Saint Nicholas", is usually reported to have had no children, while Felix Yusupov, who is also claimed as an ancestor, had no son called Felix, so it seems unlikely that a marriage between their children produced a daughter to make someone called Kasa-Hunyady a member of the the Serbian royal family. The online "Obituary of Princess Marie Yusupov Karageorgevich" which is relied on to establish this relationship is a web page reporting the death of such a princess, based on "saopšteno je danas iz kancelarije njenog unuka, grofa Kasa-Hunjadi" ("an announcement today from the office of her grandson, Count Kasa-Hunjadi"). But there was no such princess. Kasa-Hunjadi claimed in his announcement of her death that her husbands had included an Englishman called "Lord Alec Stratford Cunningham-Reid". If this is the Captain Alec Stratford Cunningham-Reid known to history, his two wives did not include any princesses. Another Serbian web page cited here is based on information from a Prince Gabriel, also described as Count Gabriel, and that claims that a Princess Helen was the illegitimate daughter of Prince George by Alexandra von Merenburg (another real person, as it happens), but illegitimate children are not royal highnesses. While no trace of a noble "Kasa-Hunyady" family can be found, there appears to be one man called Kása-Hunyadi Gábor, whose picture shows a close resemblance to that of Prince Gabriel Constantin. The whole article is surely a hoax, based on incorrect information fed to gullible web sites which are then used as references. Moonraker (talk) 03:07, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Hoax: full details on the article's talk page. DrKiernan (talk) 10:06, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, I've just found Articles for deletion/Gabriel Constantin von Kasa-Hunyady, so this should probably be speedied. DrKiernan (talk) 10:48, 1 September 2014 (UTC)


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 * Speedy delete "Sources" do not back up content. --Neil N  talk to me 16:15, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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