Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gadji (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:10, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Gadji (band)

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Local band. No significant assertion of notability per WP:BAND. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:07, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 15:16, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 15:16, 14 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 15:38, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - no coverage found in reliable sources. It seems there is an unrelated Canadian band named Gadji-Gadjo that can probably support an article, though.  Gong   show  17:48, 14 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Include per WP:BAND I note that section 6 may be satisfied if relevant citation is presented. Also... section 7

6 Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles. 7 Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.84.107 (talk) 17:07, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

One Member notably took over from Brian Johnson (of AC/DC fame) from the well established band 'Geordie' Another member a notable musician for his work released by Phillips Records. Another, one of the UK's notable Big Band Trumpet players. Billy Hogg additionally a prominant representative of a style of music within the Noth East are of England and City of Newcastle.

Please allow me some time to further collate relevant citations that may be required. Kind Regards .. Had I been more aware I would have ensured the entry was as complete as possible before starting, my appologies John kirk (talk) 19:11, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BAND. The closest thing to a claim of notability here is that this band has a member who was once in another, different band that had a prior member who was in yet another band that was notable.  That's a bit like claiming to be famous because your aunt's hairdresser once rode the same bus as Daryl Dragon (but not at the same time). Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  21:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I have begun to cite these important critical points in the article... Again I point towards section 6 and 7 "two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles." John kirk (talk) 22:00, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Include per WP:BAND Members in question have gained critical respect in their own right. Links to other 'famous' bands or individuals are a bonus. The band system on wiki appears to ask for Associated Acts by default..!? This band happens to be relative and associated by lead vocalist to Geordie and PowerHouse and very notably by the similarity’s between the vocals of 2 singers who pursued parallel careers in two similar bands.


 * Include per WP:BAND as sections 2,5,6 and 7 would now appear to be adhered to - per WP:BAND Citations are now also appearing John kirk (talk) 02:15, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The entry is now starting to fully document the history of the band with citations and reasoning's to be of worth and value within Wiki on its own merits. The band may not be known worldwide, but that alone is no reason to dismiss its value and notability based on its achievements to date mainly to the credit of Founder Billy Hogg over his 40 years musical career (20 with Gadji). Gadji has and still is one of the most respected bands in the North of England and the Scottish Borders. (as was band-Geordie before it) One point to note is that Gadji is still performing 20 years later. So we really are talking about a well established band that has impacted a music scene. Not a startup band attempting to gain publicity. Gadji is also of course furthering the careers of younger musicians who have already been accepted into Wiki.. What are they doing now ? No-one will be able to find out if this entry is deleted.

I am trying my best to satisfy the criteria with limited time at my disposal. Could I politely ask that the article be turned into a Stub article to allow time to sort it all out please. (even to make the content more concise as happened with the Powerhouse (band) entry) I don't really have any idea how long the article has under its present status before it may dissapear.. (hopefully not of course !) Kind Regards JK John kirk (talk) 15:29, 15 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:BAND. I note that four (of six) of the present references in the article, are to Wikipedia articles. Which, in itself, is NOT a reliable source.  Why is there a shortage of secondary sources ?  As per "A topic should also meet Wikipedia's standards of "notability",  which usually means that it must have received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources such as mainstream media or major academic journals that are independent of the subject of the topic."


 * Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

HOWEVER I have added parallel external links to the 3 (of four) references your refer to with the last replaced completely :) Please also allow more time for further sourcing of press releases etc from that time, May involve a trip to a real library which I will try to get to ASAP... In the meantime I am trying my best to satisfy the criteria with limited time at my disposal. Could I politely ask that the article be turned into a Stub article to allow time to sort it all out please. I don't really have any idea how long the article has under its present status before it may dissapear.. (hopefully not of course !) Kind Regards JK
 * Include per WP:BAND Thanks for the help ! :) ... Diddnt realise Wiki references were unsound. Most of the Wiki refs are well established and I assume well policed by now....

Additionally content has been added about a 2002 re-release by one of the record labels which includes Bonus tracks from live Session recordings provided by the BBC John kirk (talk) 01:07, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Include per WP:BAND Some early TV footage has been found on Video tape with source material which requires collection and scanning.. trying to find someone to do the video conversion... please allow time and consider turning the entry to Stub.. many thanks for all the help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by John kirk (talk • contribs) 12:47, 16 August 2013 (UTC)  John kirk (talk) 13:00, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Prominent Venue section added, Citations to follow in the next days John kirk (talk) 22:28, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Note: Since the status of 'considered for deletion' was added to Gadji (Band) The entry has grown considerably in content, additionally more notable additions have been added about the band itself with several references as support.. No referances at all were present when the entry gained this status.

Please change the status to at least Stub, so more time can be awarded to those looking for more references and additional noteworthy content/converting video etc. Kind regards. ... John kirk (talk) 23:47, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
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