Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gaffer (boss)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:16, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Gaffer (boss)

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Dictionary term Fasttimes68 (talk) 21:05, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. This looks like more than just a dictionary definition, but rather more like a good start to an article about a profession. ~Amatulić (talk) 22:11, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree this shouldn't kept as an independent article, but I do think that it would be a shame to lose the content and reference. Not sure where one would merge it, though. ~Amatulić (talk) 16:34, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge to Supervisor per Bridgeplayer below. Closely related content. ~Amatulić (talk) 13:49, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete This is a dictionary definition plain and simple, not an article about a specific profession. In it's current form it is too generic and only has one source that describes a gaffer as a glassmaker, while the lede clearly indicates the term is generic for boss.Fasttimes68 (talk) 01:14, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I wonder if the material in this article could be merged into one of the other many articles listed on the disambiguation page for gaffer. ~Amatulić (talk) 01:34, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be opposed, but to which ones? Only the glassblower item is sourced.Fasttimes68 (talk) 01:56, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 05:10, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as a dictionary definition. -- Whpq (talk) 16:30, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Consider this source: The Changing Role of the Working Supervisor. In this context, gaffer is a term like supervisor, foreman or crew chief.  These are all blue links and so should this be too.  Deciding what to do with it is thus a matter of ordinary editing per our editing policy, not deletion. Warden (talk) 17:09, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Classic example of WP:OTHERSTUFF. However some of those articles you mention are really disambiguation pages. Fasttimes68 (talk) 17:35, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Classic example of WP:VAGUEWAVE. WP:OTHERSTUFF explains that references to other similar articles may be helpful as part of a cogent argument.  And my argument seems cogent because it is backed up by an academic source. Warden (talk) 17:47, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "These are all blue links and so should this be too. " is the comment I was referring to regarding WP:OTHERSTUFF
 * The RS you cited is not in the article.
 * Even if it were it still makes this a disambiguation of supervisor.
 * Fasttimes68 (talk) 18:13, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not editing the article until the proposal to delete it is withdrawn. If I cite sources here, they won't be deleted - the information will be kept for all time.  And supervisor is not quite the same thing because the point about such leadership roles is that they are about doing as well as leading.  There are numerous sources which explain the concept as it applies in glass blowing, e.g. "Joseph Bournique was the "gaffer" in the Castor Place shop. Gaffers (an archaic term for "old gentlemen") were master glass blowers who supervised, and often took over themselves, the most important of the glassblowing operations.". Warden (talk) 18:26, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This article is about a generic term, not a glassmaker. If this information belongs anywhere, it is in a more specific article about glass makimg. Fasttimes68 (talk) 18:36, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep as valid encyclopedic information. How you classify it or where you stick it at, doesn't matter to me, as long as valid encyclopedic information is kept. It was originally all on one page. .  The talk page for gaffer has the discussion on how best to split it, into various separate pages, as was done.   D r e a m Focus  20:24, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The article in current form claims to be about a "boss", yet the only enclyclopedic information is about a glassmaker. The talk page for gaffer did do a page split, however all of the other pages created were for very specific terms. If this article could be improved and sourced to describe a gaffer as a boss, then it should be kept.Fasttimes68 (talk) 21:10, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep (or merge) per Warden and Dream. It's encyclopedic and notable, but perhaps need not be its own article. Bearian (talk) 20:56, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge to Supervisor which is its prime meaning. The material about the 16th century usage would fit nicely there. The glassblowing use is already mentioned in that article. Bridgeplayer (talk) 02:40, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.