Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Galina Kovalenskaya


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Kurykh (talk) 05:29, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Galina Kovalenskaya

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Non-notable masters athlete who fails to meet WP:GNG. All of the sources on the article are just routine result lists. A search has not produced any "significant coverage" as required by WP:N. DJSasso (talk) 17:01, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep as the article creator. This is part of a greater dispute.  There are currently 11 references from seven distinct sources.  This is the general kind of sourcing you will find on a Masters athlete.  There are more sources like it.  In English speaking countries, their elite athletes will usually get feature articles written about them and their meets.  "Oh look at grandpa run."  What we have a problem finding is the matching prosaic articles about those athletes in former Iron Curtain countries in particular.  There is a media and language barrier we in the "west" don't currently overcome.  Very few sources in those countries will google.  This attack on this Russian Masters athlete wants to take advantage of search engine weaknesses.


 * Look at this subject's accomplishments. She is a multiple world record holder, thus the best in her field.  She will permanently hold the 3K Shot Put world record because the event was changed.  She is a serial world champion including running the table of throwing events at one global championship.  And for a period of time she was the oldest woman to complete a steeplechase.  All of this IS documented interchangeably amongst the various sources. Trackinfo (talk) 09:35, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * And as you are well aware this kind of sourcing is all WP:ROUTINE and doesn't meet WP:GNG. Your view that it is hard to find sources in eastern countries is very easily disproved since there are plenty of Russian sources on many Russian athletes. The problem isn't that there is a language barrier, it is that they simply don't exist. If there are feature articles written about them, find them and I will happily withdrawn the nomination. But as it stands this athlete isn't even close to meeting the requirements for an article. -DJSasso (talk) 22:27, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Keep meets WP:NTRACK prong 7. So the burden of proof that sources do not exist is on the nominator. Please prove you did an extensive search of Russian, print media that may not be on the internet - specify which Russian papers you checked, and on what dates. MATThematical (talk) 21:49, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you read WP:NSPORTS. Even if someone meets them, they can still be put up for deletion and called upon to proove they meet WP:GNG. -DJSasso (talk) 12:03, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
 * While persons that meet WP:SPORTS can be put up for deletion, you are nominating a world record holder who likely has many sources of coverage in Russian that people outside of Russia will have difficulty obtaining. This is one of the exact situations that WP:NSPORT tries to avoid, a lot of care must be taken when nominating an article for AFD when the person meets NSPORT AND is either someone pre-internet or from a non-english speaking country, given that sources are very likely to exist for these types of people. --MATThematical (talk) 01:20, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
 * She is a record holder for 75 year olds. It is very unlikely that that would generate much (if any) media coverage, when even junior record holders often do not get any press about their records. -DJSasso (talk) 16:29, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
 * If you would like to contest this part of WP:NTRACK I am fine with you doing so on WP:NTRACK page. However, your claim that most world junior record holders do not get any press coverage is bogus, and unsubstantiated. Every single junior record holder [at a distance contested in the olympics] has a wikipedia page already, and most of these pages [especially from english speaking countries] are several thousand words long and well sourced. --MATThematical (talk) 05:40, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Keep Meets WP:NTRACK as mentioned above. Clearly WP:BEFORE wasn't done. Let's stop wasting everybody's time and close this. Smartyllama (talk) 15:17, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually WP:BEFORE was done. I am making a call for actual sources since none could be found when doing a check. NTRACK specifically points out that just because a subject meets NTRACK that it doesn't mean it has to be kept. -DJSasso (talk) 18:39, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I agree that talk did do WP:BEFORE, but that is not the issue. The issue is that because this athlete meets WP:NSPORT Russian print media must be checked, and talk has provided no evidence that they have checked print media. Sources are presumed to exist unless an extensive print media search shows otherwise. That is the whole point of WP:NSPORT, to prevent deletions of athletes who are either famous prior to the modern internet age or come from non-english speaking countries, without required due dillegence of the nominator. talk's nomination is in good faith, I just disagree with it until he does a Russian print media search as per WP:NSPORT. --MATThematical (talk) 05:29, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

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 * Strong Keep: I agree with Smartyllama that this meets WP:NTRACK as mentioned above. Clearly notable. It is now time to close this AFD. - Ret.Prof (talk) 14:35, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * 'Speedy Keep - Clearly meets WP:NTRACK. Hmlarson (talk) 11:13, 11 February 2017 (UTC)


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