Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gallery of country coats of arms


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sandstein (talk) 06:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Gallery of country coats of arms

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Recent fork of Gallery of sovereign state coats of arms. This version of the "sovereign state" article is identical to this version of the "country" article, except for rewording the lead and the addition of the national emblem of the Republic of China (Taiwan). Prod was removed. Gimmetrow 16:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - I requested the same thing, but my request was removed without discussion. we have "sovereign states" for nations recognized internationally and "unrecognized states" for disputed nations. So there is simply no need. --SelfQ (talk) 16:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Your request was removed *with* discussion, on the discussion page for the article. As for reasons: Wikipedia typically goes with common usages, and not academic (but non-scientific) ones.  Do we go back and change all events from 1/1/2000 to 12/31/2000 and list them as "events of the 20th century"?  No, we go with the common usage.


 * Wikipedia consistency: Do we have a "list of sovereign states by length of coastline"?  No.  How about "list of sovereign states by number of active troops", or "list of sovereign states by Human Development Index", or "list of sovereign states by number of telephone lines in use"?  Of course not.


 * But we do have list of countries by length of coastline, list of countries by number of active troops, list of countries by Human Development Index, and list of countries by number of telephone lines in use, and all of those naturally include countries like Taiwan. Makes sense for the flag list and coat of arms list to use the Wikipedia convention, too.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.188.183.5 (talk) 17:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Clarifying: This article is a fork and currently appears to be created from scratch on 8 April without giving any credit to all the other editors who worked in this list since 2004. That's my concern. If you want to argue that the "sovereign states" list (with its editing history) should be merged with the "unrecognized" list, that's a different issue. Gimmetrow 17:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, let's rename and standardize the other article, and follow the country rules for the rest of wikipedia. Once we do that, delete this one.  But don't leave it as is, where you can't find all the country flags or coats of arms in a single place.  You shouldn't have to click through to get to the flag of Taiwan.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skalskal (talk • contribs) 17:39, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete without prejudice to moving the "sovereign state" version here for consistency's sake; forking and moving are different animals, and moving preserves the editing information needed under the GFDL. Note also that this material is perfect for a gallery, and the sort of information that print encyclopedias routinely present as illustrated plates.  No opinion on whether the Republic of Taiwan should be included or not, though I frankly would find its omission somewhat disconcerting after it's been called to my attention.  - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 18:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:POVFORK and GFDL violation. Then debate the naming (i.e. possible move) of the original article. S HEFFIELD S TEEL TALK 20:39, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom Dreamspy (talk) 20:58, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Note Gallery of sovereign state coats of arms is also the subject of an AfD. It was nominated by User:Skalsal, the editor who created this fork and made the IP post above. S HEFFIELD S TEEL TALK 17:52, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete only if other version is changed ...or... Maintain two versions. Rationale for deleting if the other is changed:  Should not have an island where the rules are different, the rest of wikipedia goes by "country", and there are many lists of information by country.  Rationale for maintaining two versions:  Maintaining two versions is okay for list of countries and list of sovereign states, why not for flag and coats of arms?  The one unacceptable option: keep sovereign and delete country: creates internal inconsistency.Skalskal (talk) 19:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as WP:CSD clear copyright violation. User obviously did not understand Move procedure or GFDL author history requirements. Double Blue  (Talk) 22:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete and offer a bit of fish to the creator of the fork. Pascal.Tesson (talk) 02:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.