Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gallery of sovereign state coats of arms


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep and move to Gallery of country coats of arms. Sandstein (talk) 06:24, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Gallery of sovereign state coats of arms

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This page has an academic restriction on what should be included in a flag list, one that does not match Wikipedia's standard convention for lists of countries. A better list is found at Gallery of country coats of arms, one that follows the wikipedia convention for lists of countries.

Wikipedia consistency: Do we have a "list of sovereign states by length of coastline"? No. How about "list of sovereign states by number of active troops", or "list of sovereign states by Human Development Index", or "list of sovereign states by number of telephone lines in use"? Of course not.

But we do have list of countries by length of coastline, list of countries by number of active troops, list of countries by Human Development Index, and list of countries by number of telephone lines in use, and all of those naturally include countries like Taiwan. Makes sense for the flag list to use the Wikipedia convention, too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skalskal (talk • contribs) 2008/04/15 17:31:27
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 14:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete I agree that Gallery of country coats of arms serves a better purpose. Plus, I don't think we should have too many articles that are made purely of images. PeterSymonds | talk  15:48, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep This is the original article. Gallery of country coats of arms (which is also going through AfD) is a cut-and-paste copy of this article, by User:Skalskal, and thus violates the terms of the GFDL because it does not preserve the contribution history. Therefore, that article must be deleted and this one kept. Issues of naming and scope can then be resolved. I recommend that Skalsal withdraws this nomination. S HEFFIELD S TEEL TALK 17:48, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete(really Merge and rename). I agree that the history is important, but list by country is FAR more important than list by sovereign state.  Again, look at the other lists!!   Withdrawal of this nomination does not appear to be a successful strategy:  some parties have been vigilant in preventing any change in content, based on the NAME, thus creating an island with different rules in an ocean of consistency.  Again, find me a list of sovereign states by length of coastline with a separate article for "non-sovereign states by length of coastline" and then you have an argument.  Otherwise, Merge and rename. Skalskal (talk) 19:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep for legal reasons per SheffieldSteel. Also it is an established valuable article, and the proposed replacement is a fork likely to get deleted soon. +Hexagon1 (t) 03:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Yopie 16:43, 17 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yopie (talk • contribs)
 * It is customary to give reasons, AfD is not a vote but a debate. +Hexagon1 (t) 00:42, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Try list of sovereign states by area, and list of countries by area.Ben Standeven (talk) 07:17, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per SHEFFIELDSTEELT.Biophys (talk) 19:53, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and possibly move -- it seems there's some dispute over the title of the page (whether it should be sovereign state or country); that's fine, but not a question for AfD. It seems the person who started a new article ("country") was confused about the clean way to move a page to a new title and started a fork instead -- that should be cleaned up, but again not a question for AfD (personally, I'd delete the "country" article, then move this one to that title, thereby preserving history and a slightly more intuitive title). Regardless, the article under whichever title should be kept -- this is perfectly encyclopedic material and as someone pointed out on the other AfD the kind of thing print encyclopedias routinely include. -- phoebe / (talk) 06:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. Nominator clearly did not understand the Move procedure and GFDL author history requirements. Double Blue  (Talk) 21:43, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Upon further evidence, more clearly nominator favoured a content fork. Keep this article to urge nom to discuss issues at article talk page and keep AfD out of process. Double Blue  (Talk) 18:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein (talk) 06:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Relister's note: The copyvio fork of this article, Gallery of country coats of arms, is now deleted, but it does not follow from this that this article must be kept. Sandstein (talk) 06:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Move to Gallery of country coats of arms per convention of almost everything in Category:Lists of countries. Why would we restrict Taiwan, etc. from this and not everywhere else? Oren0 (talk) 07:34, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Move to Gallery of country coats of arms. Would follow convention, and allow for eg Taiwan and Scotland. --Julesn84 (talk) 17:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Transwiki and Delete, belongs at Wikicommons. --Ezeu (talk) 18:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Move to Gallery of country coats of arms. Upon further inspection, the definition of "sovereign states" is very similar anyway, so the lists should be the same.  The name "country" is in far greater use in Wikipedia. Skalskal (talk) 17:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.