Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Galveston.com & company


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The result was   delete. JForget 01:44, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Galveston.com & company

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Creator removed CSD tag, possible WP:COI and has continued to edit after being informed of the policy. Non-notable website, fails WP:WEB in all categories. Promotional tone and text. GregJackP (talk) 00:32, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

really. You'd delete the tourism voice of a city after a hurricane. Nice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.205.13.62 (talk) 00:56, 5 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - yup, if it is not notable, it doesn't belong here. See WP:NOT. GregJackP (talk) 04:35, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

We very much apologize if our lack of Wikipedia knowledge caused us to break any of your policies. It certainly wasn't our intent. We were instructed (clearly and patiently, might I add :) ) what we needed to do to make the entry more acceptable. The message said something like "don't remove this header statement until you've made the appropriate changes, and then added remarks at the bottom describing the changes that were made."  In our opinion, we did just that, and believed we were fine to remove the statement.  Now we know we were wrong, and absolutely apologize for not following protocol correctly.
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That said, there are only a handful of CVB Wikipedia entries, and even less (2, 3?) that don't have error messages up top. NYC & Company (though, albeit, a much larger entity) is very similar in setup (as an organization) as we are, so we used their article as a template. We also used The Galveston County Daily News's article as a guideline as well.

It is not our intent whatsoever to self-serve or to self-promote. However, like both those examples, Galveston.com & Company is a viable entity, and - like the Daily News - is a very important source of information in the Southeast Texas area. We very much invite a writer, or writers, to edit our entry to make it more acceptable.

We also have read - and understand - Wikipedia's "notability" policy. At the end of the day, however, we are all humans. And what is notable to you or someone else, may or not be notable to another. It's subjective.

However, we'd like to raise one point: We invite you to look anywhere else in the United States and find one more example of a public/private relationship between a Convention & Visitors Bureau and private corporation - where an official CVB "tourism" website of a destination is actually owned by a private corporation. Quite simply, you won't find one. Anywhere.

And that, indeed, is notable.

Thanks very much for this opportunity. And, again, we apologize for any problem we may have caused.

Jimcordell (talk)

Jimcordell (talk) 13:50, 5 June 2010 (UTC)


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Please read Wikipedia's notability rules below, and our responses:

...is deemed notable based on meeting any one of the following criteria.

1.The content itself has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself. This criterion includes reliable published works in all forms, such as newspaper and magazine articles, books, television documentaries, websites, and published reports by consumer watchdog organizations[4] except for the following: Media re-prints of press releases and advertising for the content or site.[5] Trivial coverage, such as (1) newspaper articles that simply report the Internet address, (2) newspaper articles that simply report the times at which such content is updated or made available, (3) a brief summary of the nature of the content or the publication of Internet addresses and site or (4) content descriptions in Internet directories or online stores.

RESPONSE: The Galveston County Daily News publishes our content daily on its website: http://galvestondailynews.com/events

2.The website or content has won a well-known and independent award from either a publication or organization.[6]

RESPONSE: 2007 American Business Award (The Stevie) for Best Overall Website, and in 2009, Convention South named us one of the Top 15 Tourism Bureau Websites in the country

3.The content is distributed via a medium which is both respected and independent of the creators, either through an online newspaper or magazine

RESPONSE: Again, The Galveston County Daily News publishes our content daily on its website: http://galvestondailynews.com/events

Jimcordell (talk) Jimcordell (talk) 14:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC) "I am looking for an approved Wikipedia writer to write a unique and creative article about Galveston.com, the official tourism website of Galveston Island, Texas - and one of the state's most popular in visitor traffic. There are no current articles on Wikipedia. Galveston.com & Company is the company that produces Galveston.com, along with other tourism-related websites and services. As the use of marketing material is not going to be approved on Wikipedia, we need to be discrete as to what information we put on there. I need an experienced Wikipedia writer to help me get an article published. Writer will be asked to format the content the client provides to conform to wikipedia guidelines. Page must be submitted and appear in main wiki without deletion. We prefer someone who has an active account and can provide examples of their pages."
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:20, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
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 * Strong delete per nom, and as a paid editing job from this posting from elance.com which reads in full:


 * Wikipedia is not a place to promote one's website.  Them From  Space  01:20, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

So, using that logic: It's okay to promote a newspaper. Or a tourism agency for New York City.
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This article is NOT about Galveston.com the website, just as NYC & Company's page isn't about nycgo.com. The page is about Galveston.com & Company, which includes a website, a travel agency, the DestinationNext web portal software, Virtual Galveston Island in Second Life, an official relationship with a tourism bureau, etc.

And yes. We did attempt to have someone write a Wikipedia article about Galveston.com & Company. Because - as you've stated - it isn't appropriate to write one for yourself. (Again, being novices, we didn't realize such a request - in Wikipedia's eyes - was second only to treason.) Anyway, after 3 days of this? I'm exhausted. Life's way too short. Include the article, or do not. Whether Wikipedia finds Galveston.com & Company notable - or not - truly isn't, well, notable. I'm headed to the beach.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.150.53 (talk) 01:34, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Hiring someone also violates WP:COI - no different than writing it yourself. GregJackP (talk) 17:48, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
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