Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gamalon (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 04:44, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Gamalon (band)

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Poorly sourced article about a band with no strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. The "references" here are almost entirely to directories, blogs and user-generated discussion forums, with the only indication of reliable source coverage being a single article in the band's own hometown newspaper about a founding member's death, which also fails to contain any information that would get the band over NMUSIC. As always, a band is not automatically entitled to a Wikipedia article just because they existed -- but nothing claimed here is substantive enough, or sourced well enough, to get them over the inclusion bar. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 20:09, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America1000 12:34, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. North America1000 12:34, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sarahj2107 (talk) 10:05, 7 March 2016 (UTC) The band made a mark on the local western New York music scene. They deserve a passing recognition and will try to gather material to improve the quality. I vouch for the referenced material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.166.133.179 (talk) 03:01, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * A personal "vouch for the accuracy of the material" by a Wikipedia editor does not count as referencing for the purposes of meeting WP:GNG. If we can't verify the material in published reliable sources, then it doesn't get an inclusion freebie just because an anonymous IP says it's accurate. Bearcat (talk) 16:57, 12 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. One album on MCA and two on Amherst Records (Spyro Gyra, Freddy Cannon, Glenn Medeiros, Val Young, Jeff Tyzik, Grayson Hugh, Jackie DeShannon, Paul Butterfield, It's a Beautiful Day, The Tonight Show Band, Anthony Reynard Watson, Doc Severinsen, The Stylistics, Jeremy Wall) is good for WP:MUSIC#5. Buffalo News love these guys, lots of coverage there. Given their 80s beginning there's bound to be offline coverage out there. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:25, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Any claim to passage of an NMUSIC criterion still has to be sourced to reliable source coverage (which a discography on AllMusic, in and of itself, is not.) That coverage has to extend beyond the band's own local area and so the Buffalo News cannot singlehandedly carry GNG all by itself. And a topic doesn't get included just because of an assertion that there's "bound to be offline coverage out there somewhere" — while offline coverage is valid sourcing for a Wikipedia article, it's not enough to just assert that such coverage does (or might) exist: somebody actually has to do the work to ensure that such coverage absolutely, definitively does exist before it can count for anything. Bearcat (talk) 16:55, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Any claim to passage of an NMUSIC criterion has to be verifiable. In this case the claim is sourced to an allmusic discography which is a reliable source. It is also verifiable from other sources   . The albums themselves also provide verification. Coverage does not have to extend beyond the band's own local area but in this case it does. Local area coverage can singlehandedly carry GNG all by itself, the restrictions against local only coverage is not a bright line rule. duffbeerforme (talk) 09:56, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * iFiddle Magazine states that they had "a #8 Billboard Jazz Chart showing", as does Buffalo Music Hall of Fame . duffbeerforme (talk) 09:59, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   10:16, 17 March 2016 (UTC)


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