Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gamblerz


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Tan  &#124;   39  17:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Gamblerz

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DELETE. This is not a notable "b-boy crew", as demonstrated by the peculiar lack of non-trivial coverage from reliable third party publications. JBsupreme (talk) 15:27, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. What efforts did you make to find such coverage before bringing this to AFD? Did you for example do a search on Google News? The coverage there suggests they are one of the world's top groups of their kind.--Michig (talk) 16:11, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment #2 - KEEP. They are certainly one of the most well-known BBoy crews in the world. Doing a simple youtube search on "Gambler Crew" or "Gamblerz" will yield at least a 1000 or so videos, which is a lot considering videos typically come from other people typically with only performances/battles by said crew, as well as commercials the crew and members have been featured on. Here are some videos of them in commercials:, , , , , , , . This crew is certainly one of the most well known crews in the BBoy world, if not the most. Here's another video link, to them performing at the Seoul Drama Awards 2006: . They also were one of the five crews the documentary Planet BBoy focused on.SniXSniPe (talk) 17:33, 15 August 2009 (UTC) — SniXSniPe (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Youtube is not relevant here. Nor is it an acceptable source for an encyclopedia especially this one.  JBsupreme (talk) 21:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment #4 - KEEP. The whole point of youtube was demonstrating their popularity as a BBoy crew. Listed were the commercials members of the crew have been featured in, as well as performing in Korea for special events. What unknown crew has starred in many commercials like this?. Tell me as well, why should there be wiki pages on "Jabbawockeez" or "SoReal Cru" and other crews who have simply been featured on a TV Show? Gamblerz have competed around the world in MAJOR events (Battle of the Year, [Red Bull BC One]], The Notorious IBE, R16 Korea, ETC, and WON vs crews hailing from other countries. If you want sources, why don't you simply go to the BOTY wiki and take a look or do a quick google search on gambler crew? I don't think any random crew would perform at the Seoul Drama Awards or Asia Song Festival. Here's some quick finds: KBS, Interesting article on the Korean BBoys in particular. I highly recommend reading the second article if you think these guys are a bunch of nobodies. Last but not least, the OLD GAMBLER CREW is starring in the movie Hype Nations. Yeah, not so much a noteworthy crew when almost every BBoy has heard of you and your starring in your own movie.--SniXSniPe (talk) 05:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC) — SniXSniPe (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Keep or if you prefer, KEEP. See Benson Lee (director), B-Boy Planet, Mondo Paradiso, 2007 & Terence Teh's article "Top Lockers", URB #155 (Sept/Oct 2008). Lee's film itself generates a lot of good source material, as with Kerry Howley's "'Our Flag Is Hip Hop': Planet B-Boy and the globalization of an American art form" in Reason, July 2008. "'Three years ago in Braunshweig, Germany, a celebrated South Korean dance crew gave what may be the most bizarre show in the history of hip hop. Moving to a heady mix of Daft Punk, Walter Murphy, and Richard Strauss, the 10-man troupe re-enacted 60 years of Korean history through the American art form of break dancing."

Splitting into halves on either side of the floor in preparation for battle, the crew windmilled around on the palms of their hands and the soles of their feet, jumping backward onto their forearms and springing forward in synchronized slow motion. After six minutes of hyper-athletic, acrobatic frenzy, the crew met center stage and resumed dancing in perfect unison--a united peninsula at last.

The dancers, who call themselves the Gamblerz, were defending their title as the 2004 world champions of break dancing. That competition, called the Battle of the Year, is explored at length in Benson Lee's documentary Planet B-Boy. It's only in retrospect that the Gamblerz' show comes to seem extraordinary; in the context of the film, no one bothers to comment on the fact that young Korean men are performing an idealized future history of Asian geopolitics through a dance form invented by urban blacks in the South Bronx of the 1970s. And doing it in Germany."

I haven't looked at specialist b-boy publications, Korean-language media, or indeed Michig's google news results, but there is clearly sufficient coverage of this Korean crew who have won numerous awards and competitions through ~three generations of young dancers. 89.100.145.57 (talk) 04:25, 16 August 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 23:16, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Comment I removed a large portion of the article that was just a very long list of the nicknames of all the crew members. The article certainly asserts notability, and how hard can it be to find some sources for all these silly awards?  I think the original nomination may have been an understandable reaction to how much the page originally looked like a vanity site. Surfer83 (talk) 23:26, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Why would you remove the nicknames/competitions they have won-competed in? I can understand removing the letter and other portions but... Anyways, I figured a segment listing the crew's members and their names (BBoy names) would be important in an article about the crew no? Though I understand that it did look sloppy. This isn't a knack at you, but pretty much many editors overall--- why are people so quick to delete instead of edit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.95.82.50 (talk) 01:57, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Very weak keep - There appear to be enough reliable sources to confirm notability, but the article needs to reflect this. There is a lot of trivial and non-reliable stuff out there about this group;  some editors need to take the time to distill the information if they want this article to stay around.  Narthring (talk  • contribs) 04:15, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * KEEP Although this article is weak, if you do a search on any of the major search engines you can see just how notable the Gamblerz are. I happen to be familiar with them and know that (1) they are one of the most famous b-boy crews in the world, (2) they either win or appear at all the major international b-boy championships every year, and (3) they've been featured in a couple b-boy documentaries. Aside from my own knowledge, I just did a quick search on Bing.com and I found a great source right here. Easy as that. As stated earlier it's better to edit than to simply delete. At the moment it's a stub; most wikipedia articles start out like this. Give it time to grow. Gbern3 (talk) 17:29, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


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