Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gamma Beta (3rd nomination)


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The result was   delete. One (talk) 02:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Gamma Beta
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This is a repeatedly deleted article that was finally brought to a point where I felt it was borderline - I unsalted it per an RFPP request and thought that this venue was the best way to decide whether or not it passes muster. While there are now some possibly reliable sources, I am still not sure that this meets notability requirements - there are no RS articles that actually feature Gamma Beta; the articles merely mention that GB participated in this or that event. Tan  &#124;   39  16:24, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment would someone examine the pic in the article and see if those guys are making the hand sign for putting fingers in the vagina and rectum? I don't know what it's called but there was a scandal over a high school yearbook a few years ago.  Gynecological cancer is an unusual charity for a college fraternity to support.  If I am mistaken and this is not a hoax, I still don't see independent third-party references to create a verifiable article but I will withhold a final opinion until others weigh in.  Also I find it hard to believe that not even college newspapers have documented a new fraternity on campus. Drawn Some (talk) 17:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No, that's called the "shocker", see here. Tan   &#124;   39  17:31, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Several Fraternities and Sororities, especially those with a specific cultural background, have a "hand sign" associated with their organization. Justinm1978 (talk) 18:31, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak KEEP - passes WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities criteria for inclusion (must be a national org or a local org of significant notability). No comment on validity of sources. Justinm1978 (talk)


 * Comment The hand is not making a obscene gesture it is just a hand sign that alot of ethnic fraternity and sororities have. The reason why they support Gynecological Cancer, is because yes it is a asian-interest fraternity and Cervical cancer affects asian women more than it does anyone else due to the lack of awareness. The fraternity is fairly young, i understand that there isn't much notability, but seeing how young the fraternity is and also how extremely big greek life is at their current campuses, it difficult for the university to recognize all events that the fraternity hosts. I'd like to have the chance to publish the article, instead of deleting, constructive criticism would help. This is all new to me and still a learning experience. (Hawee (talk))  —Preceding undated comment added 00:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC).


 * Delete The sources do not go in depth enough to establish notability - barely a passing mention, consult Talk:Gamma Beta. Additionally, the sources do not support what is being presented in the Wikipedia article. I would recommend the userspace for new articles that don't pass muster in terms of notability. Germinscout (talk) 02:52, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Pastor Theo (talk) 00:16, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Okay, I got the hand signal thing and the cervical cancer thing. Apparently in some Asian cultures gynecological exams avoided more so than in other cultures, very poor Pap smear rate.  But if there were a new fraternity chartered on campus, wouldn't the college or university newspaper have covered it, at least?  Some of those colleges are not huge, it would be noteworthy.  I am concerned about verifiability.  I don't have an issue with notability at the national level for a new fraternity as long is it is the national level and not individual chapters.I will go with "keep" though. Drawn Some (talk) 01:20, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Fraternities of tis limited reach ar not notable, and the lack of references shows it. DGG (talk) 09:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Notability isn't something easily achieved. You can't expect just because you charter an asian-interest fraternity to campus that you will be given notability for doing so. Especially since its a asian interest fraternity, people are less prone to think it's important that you charted a chapter. Look at all the other asian-interest fraternities and sororities, do they have articles/notability of them chartering? No they don't. It is not until the fraternity does something of significant importance does the news recognize it and seeing how young this fraternity is, you have to give it the opportunity to grow and develop. You cannot compare a 5 chapters fraternity that is 9 yrs old to 100 chapters fraternity that is 200 yrs old. These arguments for notability have no logical explanation, I can find other fraternity/sorority articles that have barely any notability if not none. 71.42.217.73 (talk) 17:47, 7 May 2009 (UTC)]


 * Delete No in-depth coverage in independent reliable sources - at least I don't see it after reading the articles. Seems to be the main concern here. Turbo900 (talk) 04:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand why these other articles aren't scrutinized as this one. (Hawee (talk) 19:22, 14 May 2009 (UTC))
 * Keep I understand there isn't much notability, but as stated before notability isn't something you can achieve without patience. There are other articles in wiki that have barely to none notability. IE Xi Kappa, Alpha Sigma Rho, Kappa Phi Lambda, Chi Delta Theta, Chi Sigma Tau, Sigma Phi Omega


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