Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gandhi Smarak Inter College, Rajesultanpur


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Ekabhishektalk 03:29, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Gandhi Smarak Inter College, Rajesultanpur

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No clear indications that a school of this name exists in Rajesultanpur. Searches show the existence of schools of this name in other places, and at least one social media entry with no information (on a site named "wowsome"), but nothing reliable on which to verify even the existence of this school, let alone its size or academic issues. Searches in both English and Hindu fail. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 00:28, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:45, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:46, 27 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep per WP:NSCHOOL. All schools, including universities, colleges, high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must satisfy either this guideline or the general notability guideline, or both.  C ute st Penguin discuss 14:25, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - There is no official evidence of its existence. Sorry!  C ute st Penguin discuss 13:15, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment You have misinterpreted WP:NSCHOOL. It does not say that schools automatically satisfy notability requirements, it says that they must satisfy either WP:ORG or WP:GNG. This school clearly doesn't, since we can't even reliably verify its existence.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:36, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete only 2 EL provided link to gereric pages, with no indication of existance or significance. I have also tried searching for sources, but nothing apparent. -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  14:41, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - It maybe possible that a local school in a rural area may not have a official website, but there are significant un -official multiple coverage and I believe that it cannot be phony. One such is http://www.asklaila.com/listing/Sultanpur/Civil+Lines/Mahatma+Gandhi+Smarak+Inter+College/ouFh4ke8/ and http://sultanpurcity.com/education.htm.  C ute st Penguin discuss 14:58, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Sultanpur and Rajesultanpur are different places. The links you have provided are for a school in Sultanpur. And neither of them constitutes anything near "significant coverage".  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:12, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Rajesultanpur per long-standing precedent stated at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  22:26, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Redirect is only valid if the school actually exists, and we still have no verification that it does. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 02:23, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete per WP:G3 (Hoax) - I should've read the nominators reason as he's right - There's nothing to say this school even exists - Although I did find "Nagar Nigam Gandhi Smarak Inter College" but then again I'm seeing alot of names infront of "Gandhi Smarak Inter College", The sources in the article are useless since one's irrelevant & the other's dead ... Unless an Indian editor can verify its existence I say WP:G3 applies. – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  02:48, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

*Keep: the same author added the list of schools to  the education  section  of the Rajesultanpur article. He is obviously quite knowledgeable about  this small  city/town and his edits do  not  appear to  be other than good faith. Therefore we should be extremely hesitant in  declaring  this article as a hoax and to  do  so  is to  insult and possibly  lose an editor. Why create an article about  a high school of 4,000+ students if it  does not  exist? - And then call it  a government  school? One thing is for sure, it's too  big  to  a kindergarten or a primary  school. Whereas we have no policy  that  assumes that  all  high school  are notable by  default, we do  assume that  in  the case of an unreferenced school, unless there are grounds to  assume it  is publicity  for a for-profit  establishment, there is a strong  argument  to  keep  it. Also, not having  sources is not  a de facto criterion  for deletion  of an article. I'm inlcined to say  we should err on  the side of probability  here for an area where Internet  sources and websites may  not  be the strongest  in  the world, and keep  this article.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:54, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Unfortunately, you can not any longer see the photo that accompanied this article, because it has been deleted as a copyright violation, but it consisted of a stock photo of a generic Indian school yard, with the name of this particular school photoshopped in. When I see things like that, my willingness to assume good faith dissipates. I cannot begin to think of the reasons a person might have to perpetrate a hoax like this (perhaps there is funding to be obtained from the Indian government if you can convince them you're running a school in a remote village), but I also can't see any point in retaining an article about a school when none of the information (even the school's existence) is verifiable.  WP:V is one of the primary pillars of Wikipedia; if an article can't have any of its information verified, what's the point of retaining it?  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:14, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per . Can't imagine why  anyone would go  to  so  much  trouble to  fake a WP article about  a school, but fake is fake. Thanks, Dan, for the heads up. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:26, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Exists! (Search for Gandhi Smarakm I.C., Rajesultanpur; there seems to be an additional 'm' in the actual name) Uttar Pradesh State Government Scholarship List, UP Government Scholarship Official Document, Page 91. Wifione  Message 16:55, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * You have done a appreciable job. Thanks! Even I am also going to change my vote to keep.  C ute st Penguin Hangout 16:43, 3 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment Given that we have verified that the school exists, the best I can recommend is a redirect to Rajesultanpur, since we have no verifiable information about the school outside of its existence. And recall, schools are only immune from speedy deletion; they still must meet the criteria of WP:ORG. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:09, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The article was created on 24th August. You nominated it for deletion on 25th August. Till now, the claim was that it is a hoax and all other !voters accepted that. Now that it's proved it's not a hoax (Google Maps is sometimes the best app to find out if a place is not a hoax), I would suggest let the article remain for a few days and let's allow the author(s) to add material. If in reasonable time this doesn't happen, we can have an early re-nomination again for deletion. But if you end up re-directing it, I don't think there is any hope for a government college article, which is not a hoax, to be built up using verifiable sources. This is just a suggestion. For example, if you were to use the Hindi translation of the college's name (use Google Translate), you immediately come up against a multitude of Hindi news sources containing the college's name:Amar Ujala, Hindustan, Jagaran, Janadesh et al. So clearly, to say that we have no verifiable information about the school outside the existence is completely wrong. My suggestion stands: allow the authors some time to add content using verifiable sources. Thanks. Wifione  Message 18:26, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep as a verified college per longstanding consensus and precedent. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:23, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 07:22, 8 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.