Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gangale orbit

Articles Gangale orbit and California Plan listed on WP:VFD Apr 25 to May 2 2004, consensus was to delete. Discussion:

Use of Wikipedia for self-promotion. Two pages, one about Martian orbit, another about reforming US primary elections. Both describe proposals by the same person, Thomas Gangale. Almost all google hits are either Wikipedia and its forks or Gangale's homepage. Andris 05:13, Apr 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * He also wrote Darian calendar, although unlike the other two, his calendar appears to be somewhat recognized. Delete California Plan and Gangale orbit as neither of them are notable.  By the way, I find it disgusting that his curriculum vitae lists a bunch of mirrors of Wikipedia as separate "citations" of his work.  Isomorphic 22:23, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * By the way, if these are deleted (and really, even if they aren't) someone should look at the "what links here" for each of Gangale's articles. He's probably linked them from all sorts of places, and most are probably inappropriate.  That would be typical of the self-promoters I've dealt with. Isomorphic 22:25, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete both: not notable, self promotion. Clean up links as Isomorphic suggests. Wile E. Heresiarch 02:36, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, although the articles could use some heavy editing. They are only proposals, after all, and not policies, and should be noted as such. Alcarillo 07:51, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Alcarillo, perhaps you are not aware that Wikipedia has a "no original research" policy? As your judgement seems sound, on the whole, I am curious as to what encyclopedic content you see in these articles. Regards, Wile E. Heresiarch 00:21, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep both, but edit. Even if Gangale wrote one of these articles himself, it is one thing to promote an idea and another to promote oneself. To call Gangale a self-promoter is ad hominem attack without much justification. He probably did not write the "Gangale orbit" article, for as far as I know, he has never named anything after himself. Regarding the "California Plan," the subject recently appeared in a peer-reviewed journal.  A political scientist at the George Washington University says it's the best plan to reform the presidential primaries he has seen (see [nopanaceas.blogspot.com/ 2004_03_07_nopanaceas_archive.html]). It's a new idea. Is it too new for Wikipedia?
 * Note: first edit by anon user. On substance, yes, I think it's too new. An encyclopedia (including Wikipedia) is a place for recording well-known ideas rather than promoting new ones. I think that publication in peer-reviewed journal + 1 citation is below the threshold for "well-known". And Wikipedia discourages writing both about oneself and works that one is strongly involved with.Andris 22:49, Apr 30, 2004 (UTC)
 * User:165.247.217.116, who writes about Thomas Gangale in the third person, is almost certainly a sock puppet of Gangale himself. See:, , . Gangale has quite a fetish for documenting every passing mention of himself, as shown by his web site ; it is clear that he is using Wikipedia for self promotion. Feel free to pay for advertising, Mr. Gangale, and if your ideas are so remarkable, there will be lots of other people who want to write about them. Wile E. Heresiarch 00:21, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete both. Postdlf  2:36  1 May 2004  (UTC)

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Archived discussion from Talk:California Plan:

This page was create by Thomas Gangale, author of the California Plan and "Hell-Bent for Election" at http://pweb.jps.net/~gangale/opsa/ps/Hell-Bent_for_Election.htm. Thomas Gangale hereby agrees that the re-use of text from "Hell-Bent for Election" does not constitute copyright infringement.


 * Are you Thomas Gangale? Is this your original work? - Texture 04:18, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

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I just removed the following. Does it have anything to do with the California Plan? - Texture 23:08, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Gangale designed the Darian calendar for Mars in 1985. He expanded the Darian timekeeping system to include the Galilean moons of Jupiter in 1998 and Titan in 2003. In 1998 Gangale developed the concept of Gangale orbits for positioning communications satellites to relay signals between Earth and Mars when Mars passes through solar conjunction as seen from Earth near the midpoint of conjunction class missions.

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