Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Garik Papoyan


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)  Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk)  03:15, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Garik Papoyan

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Still nothing at all suggesting any convincing independent notability and searches have found nothing noticeably better. SwisterTwister  talk  22:50, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep the article is very incomplete, as he has had a number of prominent performances such as third billings and a second billing passing WP:NACTOR so sources should be available- will look. Atlantic306 (talk) 23:33, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 03:52, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 03:52, 9 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep as a well-known Armenian actor and musician. Harout (talk) 05:12, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America1000 09:00, 9 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - No references, which makes it a BLP concern. Only aspect of note is his writing contribution to the Eurovision song. Redirect to that page. Karst (talk) 12:52, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Article is poor but there seems to be enough for him to pass the basic criteria on entertainment biographies, most notably due to his role on a television show. Cultural bias could be an issue here. KaisaL (talk) 00:37, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Have changed to a strong keep after noting on the Armenian Wikipedia that he was a judge on their version of The X Factor. (This is not mentioned in the English article but is quite clear-cut for me.) KaisaL (talk) 00:39, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Make sure to add references for this - at the moment it has no sources and thus fails WP:GNG. Karst (talk) 06:55, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't speak Armenian, so this is very difficult. Before you say anything, I know this isn't a reliable source, but our article on Armenian X Factor lists him as a judge for all three series. Also, this Armenian news website references him in a "Most beautiful celebrity couple" poll which suggests he's very much prominent in Armenia. These aren't reliable sources at all, but they say enough for me to suggest that somebody speaking the language could easily find plenty of reliable sources that cover him. This is as clear-cut a case of systematic bias as we'll get, because the individual clearly meets our guidelines from his X Factor activities alone, but there aren't any English language sources we can easily find about it because Armenian television doesn't really get coverage outside of that country. KaisaL (talk) 13:41, 10 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep As pointed out, the subject was a judge on the Armenian X Factor on Shant TV. I found a source in English (the English version of the website of the TV channel) describing the show and showing Garik as a member of the jury (on the right) . If you click on his name there's an impressive resume . He's obviously well known in Armenia and therefore he's notable. I will try to find time to confirm some of the claims made on that resume page, but it's brutally hard given the Armenian writing system unless English versions are available. Ironically I found the source in English by searching in Armenian. Dontreader (talk) 04:13, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment In the second link that I provided, we see this claim: He (...) was a musical producer and a jury member of “Hay Superstar” (“Pop Idol”). I confirmed that he was at least a jury member of Hay Superstar in the newspaper Aravot . Google Translate shows that twice Garik is referred to as a jury member. I won't waste time confirming the other claims. Painful searches in Armenian prove that this guy is a big celebrity in his country. Even his stupidest comments are in the news. Dontreader (talk) 06:58, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding the references. At least there is some sourcing now for a stub level entry. Karst (talk) 08:22, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks to you for appreciating the effort I put into finding those sources. It was quite a challenge! I wish I had been able to confirm more claims. However, I did find a good source that confirms he was one of the main actors in a movie, and it was an actual movie in theaters, so I would guess it's notable. I also found indirect evidence that he was in that other movie, too, but I was hoping to find a better source. I wish I had posted the good source here, but I can find it again, if I remember to, and a decent source for the other movie has to be somewhere. One thing I know for sure is that I won't be taking Armenian lessons any time soon. Dontreader (talk) 16:29, 11 July 2016 (UTC)


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