Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Garry Väiko


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete.  Jerry  delusional ¤ kangaroo 01:56, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Garry Väiko

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Footballer who has never played in a fully professional league, thus failing WP:ATHLETE. Prod removed by article's creator without explanation. пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  11:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  11:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Plays in highest level of football in Estonia. Nfitz (talk) 02:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That is irrelevant. WP:ATHLETE states "fully professional league". The top division in Estonia is not. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  07:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:CS, WP:BIAS, WP:IAR, but most importantly deleting this article seems to ignore the consensus to keep such articles reached at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Nfitz (talk) 08:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:FOOTYN was also a consensus at WP:FOOTY but it wasn't accepted by the wider community. Also, there is no bias in deleting footballers from small countries. If the country doesn't have a fully professional league, then the players in it probably aren't notable. By your faulty logic players in the top division of Andorra are notable, even though in terms of skill level, they'd probably be at around the sixth or seventh level of England at best. And why on earth are you bringing up WP:CS? It has absolutely nothing to do with a deletion debate, and suggests that you are just citing policies in the blind hope that people will be impressed by them. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  08:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I note that he has only 27 Ghits, which coming from one of the most web-savvy countries in Europe, suggests that he is not notable in any form, thus also failing WP:N. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  08:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, he fails WP:N and WP:ATHLETE. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 11:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom - once again, playing in a top level in a country is not a valid claim of notability when the league is not fully professional - or do we really want to include all Guam, American Samoa and Equatorial Guinea footballers?!?! --Angelo (talk) 13:02, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * As I'm sure you know, WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS is not a valid argument for deletion. Logically, the statement of that guideline is "if X article is notable, then Y article should be considered notable too". According to basic logic, the contrapositive of that statement is also true, i.e. "if Y article is considered non-notable, then X article should be considered non-notable too". Therefore your argument is indirectly a violation of WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. ugen64 (talk) 02:41, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not citing WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS, I am just saying we don't need articles like these, they are non-notable subjects according to current policy (which I fully support, and I would even make it much more restrictive if I could). Would you agree about an American Samoan footballer's notability just because he plays in a top flight in his country? I don't think so, he would easily fail WP:N by the way. We need to bound limits of inclusion, to prevent our encyclopedia from becoming a huge database of non-notable subject. WP:ATHLETE is already really inclusive, much more inclusive for football than any other sport around. --Angelo (talk) 12:54, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:ATHLETE as he has not played in a fully-professional league as the criteria states. --Jimbo[online] 14:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 17:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. The Estonian League is not fully-pro (only half its teams are professional at present), therefore he does not meet WP:ATHLETE. Bettia   (rawr CRUSH!)  09:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Not yet played notably. small fish small pond. For those that want to keep all articles about players because they play in the 'top level of their country', if they are not able to break into their national side, they not generally good enough to be notable, they are just guys kicking a ball around on a Saturday afternoon. If they are good enough, they qualify per criteria and will get their article. recreate if and when...-- Club Oranje Talk 01:03, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


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