Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gary Martin (actor)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. lacking sources and none provided.more then enough evidence that a reasonable search has been done so umnder policy this is an unsourced BLP and therefore fails N Spartaz Humbug! 03:44, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Gary Martin (actor)

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Prod declined by COI author. Article tagged for notability since April. No sources found or forthcoming. Article is a big list of trivia. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 03:44, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello, I have been updating and editing the page for Gary Martin (I know someone else has also but don't know who), I realise I wasn't explaining my edits or putting my name in (cite yur source), is that the reason you wish to delete the page? I am in contact with Gary Martin and we both realise we need to sit down and sort the page out properly. I spent 3 hours on the page yesterday updating and editing, explaining what I did and leaving the name Gary Martin as a ref (cite your source) after each edit, but all the work I did yesterday has now gone and the deletion message has now come back. Please do not delete the page, if there is something you'd like us to do in respect of editing, please explain. Shelley Williams* — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garyfan (talk • contribs) 12:44, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Direct conversations with people, that readers obviously cannot check out for themselves, are not acceptable sources for a verifiable encyclopaedia. You've been told with every edit page that you've seen here that your content must be verifiable by readers.  Uncle G (talk) 13:33, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I really am not undersatnding where I have gone wrong or what I need to do to rectify the situation. What do you mean by your content must be verifiable by readers? I have placed links with this I edit, Gary Martin's official web page etc. Please explain where I have gone wrong, I fully believed I have done nothing wrong.

Shelley Williams for Gary Martin LondonGal 13:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garyfan (talk • contribs)


 * I also don't understand where I have had 'direct conversation with people, that readers obviously cannot out for themselves', I haven't had any direct conversations with people other than what I have been writing to you today. I have left links of reliable sources, Gary's offical web site etc.

Shelley Williams for Gary Martin LondonGal 13:52, 22 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garyfan (talk • contribs)


 * I have just seen this message ***Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you must sign your posts by typing four tildes ( LondonGal 14:04, 22 December 2010 (UTC) ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 13:53, 22 December 2010 (UTC*** I've seen the 'talk pages' & don't believe I have ever wrote on them. I didn't know about having to put the LondonGal 14:04, 22 December 2010 (UTC) on the end, but where do I place them? After which comment? Apart from updating and editing on the page for Gary Martin, I have never wrote anywhere else on the site, I have never noticed the signature symbol either.

Shelley LondonGal 14:04, 22 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garyfan (talk • contribs)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:18, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
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Keep It is a bit of a mess but the subject matter is valid. --Warrior777 16:32, 22 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warrior777 (talk • contribs)
 * comment I hope the changes meet everyone's needs. --Warrior777 16:41, 22 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warrior777 (talk • contribs)
 * comment IMDB (the Internet Movie Database) is a very reliable secondary source for information concerning Mr. Martin. Further resources could be provided however to prove the voice work he's done in animation work. Those sources need to be provided quickly.--Warrior777 16:53, 22 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warrior777 (talk • contribs)
 * Weak delete. Gary Martin has a lot of credits to his name, but WP:NACTOR requires significant roles in multiple films / TV programmes etc. I looked for coverage in third-party reliable sources and found this article, but that's not enough for substantial coverage in multiple third-party sources. Might qualify for a redirect to Honey Monster should someone ever create a full article for that, but at the moment it's just a redirect. Anyway, Shelly Williams, creating a wikipedia article for someone you isn't outright disallowed but it's generally a bad idea. WP:COI, WP:LUC, WP:AUTO and WP:PROUD give good reasons why. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 18:12, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Shelley Wiliams LondonGal 22:00, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Warrior777 - Thank you for what you have done. I will see if I can get further resources to prove the voice work he's done in animation work, but what if I cannot, what if there is nothing or very little available?
 * Chris Neville-Smith - I understand what you are saying, I originally set this page up as there wasn't one & I did it as a favour for him, although I understand it's generally a bad idea to create a wikipedia article for someone I know, it could easily be Mr Martin who could update this page, would that be wrong for someone to create /update their own page?
 * Creating or editing an article about someone you know is a bad idea, Creating or editing an article about yourself is even worse. There are very limited circumstances when editing an article about yourself is a considered acceptable (see WP:COI, but my point wasn't that it's not allowed, it's that you may bitterly regret it later. If the first major piece of media coverage about Gary Martin is something negative, that may find its way into the article and you may be powerless to stop it. Don't say I didn't warn you. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 14:04, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Journeyman performer with lengthy roster of credits who clearly meets WP:ENT. Other issues easily resolved by routine editing. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 17:09, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Tell me how "routine editing" will make sources magically appear. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 18:44, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You're telling me you AfD'd an article to make a point that the article is not adequately referenced? Morbidthoughts (talk) 18:59, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I'm saying that I looked and FOUND no sources. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 19:13, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
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