Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gary Wales (actor)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. j⚛e deckertalk 00:57, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Gary Wales (actor)

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Deprodded bio article that appears to fail WP:NACTOR, at this time. WP:COI editors have tried to add reliable sources but at best I can see WP:ONESOURCE. Of particular interest is his claim -- and that of his management -- that he "starred" in Season two of the hit series Game of Thrones. That would appear to not to be the case. At any rate, no independent source mentions this and one sees in his filmography that the "Game of Thrones" role is as "himself" in a "video documentary," all of which makes me wonder what the heck is going on here. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:51, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Agree with nom. Fails WP:NACTOR. SW3 5DL (talk) 17:59, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:01, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:56, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

I can edit any information without source and add more info with verifiable source.• kittymccaffery
 * To be honest, I actually think you should be blocked from editing this encyclopedia, per WP:NOTPROMOTION. But that is not my decision to make. As for this article, in what sense did your client appear (or "star," as stated in this PR piece) in season two of Games of Thrones? I can't find this on any independent source. I see you deleted that info from his lead, after I had challenged it, with a somewhat misleading edit summary, but I'd still like to know more about this claim. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:15, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:TNT. Even if kept, with all due apologies to Kitty, this is horribly written (e.g., upcoming instead of up and coming, too many red links, poor formatting, etc.)  I'm not against paid editing, per se, I just think it should be disclosed, of high quality, and be neutral and weighted properly. Bearian (talk) 20:47, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * In creating the page, she stated she did so with the "help" of her client, Gary Wales. The most egregious thing, imo, the apparent concoction of a major role in season two of Game of Thrones could very well be Wales' invention, not McCaffery's -- as could some of the other problems Bearian mentions. While McCaffery was notified, as the article creator, this was very much a joint effort between her and client, according to the edit history, and so in Kitty's defense she may not be the source of all the poor writing. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:11, 2 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Non notable. No significant coverage. Way too soon. A series of short films and an extra appearance on Game of Thrones does not equal notability. Clear COI as written by a PR firm. Cowlibob (talk) 21:21, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per being TOO SOON. Let his career advance and he get some actual coverage for his work, and the article can be undeleted and properly sourced. Right now and in our lacking reliable sources for WP:V, we have a WP:BLP violation.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 05:35, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:ENT. Maybe WP:NYA. Either way, delete for now. --Jersey92 (talk) 17:15, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable; imdb list most roles as "extra" or "uncredited". Hairhorn (talk) 17:25, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

User Shawn in Montreal is right. I was not paid to help add up Gary's page, but I did copy and paste what was sent to me provided by him and his crew. Before I had a chance to properly edit, research, and request help the page was already flagged for deletion. Since then I have tried to correct all issues and go by rules the best to my knowledge. I have not been rude but very understanding. Some of the comments below are unreal and unfair. I took it that wikipedia was an encyclopedia for entertainment history. The kid has been in a few roles and is currently filming others. One where he is actually a main character. If it's voted that he's not ready for a wiki I understand but to comment that I vandalised, tried to lie for a "paying client", and I should be banned or blocked from writing is unbelieveable and upsetting. Come on guys! Give people a fair chance for corrections and full time to write before making assumptions or judging. Thank you to the ones who have been very helpful in teaching what to do and not to do in the future and for being pleasant to work with. • kittymccaffery — Preceding undated comment added 22:06, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * This has already been addressed here. You are not going to be blocked if you simply follow that advice, so there's no point re-arguing the whole thing here. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:47, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Despite comments above, article still says he has a starring role in game of thrones.i cant find any evidence he did and this undermines the credibility of the entire article or its likelihood of acquiring any noteable facts. Sandpiper (talk) 20:00, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
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