Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender characters in video and computer games

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. Ben Standeven 18:48, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender characters in video and computer games
Wikipedia is not for original research, see last line in article, "Research Started by Edward TJ Brown in 1999. This article was started by Brown in the Fall 2004. Please see his website for research notes." Recommendation: Transwikify as appropriate. Fifelfoo 03:36, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep. I have removed the offending line at the end of the article. Some one else insisted that the longer name was better.
 * Above vote is by User:browned. Ben Standeven 14:42, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. A good article that should be kept. I do recall discussion of the Richard Simmons issue when I was growing up.
 * Above vote is by anonymous user 199.17.123.47. Ben Standeven 14:42, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. There's some silly stuff in here (Richard Simmons in Ring King? Come on) but it's a fairly even description of GLBT themes in video games, without making any ridiculous, unsubstantiated, or original claims. A Man In Black 07:23, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep but remove speculation and original research bits. Back in my day, video and computer games characters did not have sexuality, personality, or sometimes even names, but nowadays things have changed, and this article reflects it well.   &mdash; J I P | Talk 07:34, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I guess. The name could be shorter. &mdash; RJH 16:19, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete This is clearly original research, and POV. Many conclusions are drawn for the reader. Could this article be redeemed through massive editing? I suppose, but I'm not sure there'd be much left to justify the title. And unless you're going to limit the content to actual verifiable facts, it will remain POV original research. -Rholton 13:50, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a good topic for an article. Ben Standeven 14:42, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, though parts of it need a lot of editing. -Sean Curtin 01:00, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. POV, original research. Jayjg (talk) 04:35, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - I'd change the opening line though - I don't know that it's such an "infrequent occurence" especially with such a long list! --Blackcats 06:37, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep -- appears a serious attempt to address a topic, with POV either minor or clear and distinguishable.--Simon Cursitor 06:46, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep though it could use a little pruning. I doubt that the Ring King boxers were really aupposed to be gay. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  17:47, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. POV and original research. Only one source is given, which strongly reinforces both POV and original research. POV alone could be fixed, but original research is fatal and this article should go. Quale 01:50, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I do not see how it is POV, much of what I've read is strictly documentation (with quotes!) of gay/lesbian/transgendered/bisexual characters in video games.  I believe the entire article is very well done, it can be organized better imo, defantly not deleted though. --ShaunMacPherson 11:46, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, and not just because I laughed for 5 minutes at the "Richard Simmons" animation. Leithp 15:44, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, but consideer moving to Gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and crossdressing characters in video and arcade games. Kappa 00:09, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, but has some major POV/source issues that need to be fixed. - Jacottier 02:03, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename to something less ridiculous sounding, clean up all the commentary and speculation on "who's gay and who's not", and remove the unsourced use of jocular terms like "gaymer". - Pioneer-12 09:39, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - obviously needs lots of editing, but fascinating and useful topic. Unusual terms should be sourced, not automatically deleted - "gaymer + gay" for example gets over 6000 google hits and has its own webpage - see Welcome to Gaymer.org - a site for gay video gamers. -- BD  thi m k  02:22, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
 * Keep, but title's too long.--Prem 06:04, May 2, 2005 (UTC)

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