Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gay Asians of Toronto


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I'm giving less weight to the three "keep" opinions because they are new accounts with few contributions which are mostly dedicated to working on this topic; their views are furthermore not based on the applicable policies and guidelines. The content can be userfied if anybody wants to try and improve it as advised in the nom ination.  Sandstein  20:19, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Gay Asians of Toronto

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Article which is ostensibly about an organization, but which in reality is serving primarily as a WP:COATRACK — overall, the content and nearly all of the sourcing are primarily about the entire history of LGBT Asian people in North America in general, and/or biographical sketches of some individual members. And meanwhile, the content that is actually about the organization itself is far too dependent on primary sources, like the organization's own membership brochure and its own self-published history documents, rather than reliable source coverage which is actually about the organization. It's certainly possible that the organization would qualify for a properly written and properly sourced article in which the organization was actually the subject, but coatracking an extended history of gay Asian people worldwide isn't the way to get there. Delete, without prejudice against creation of a better version that keeps its eye on the ball instead of trying to cover the entire football field and the bleachers and the parking lot. Bearcat (talk) 03:15, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Bearcat The page has been edited since your proposal for deletion. If your opinion still has not change, then let us know. Thank you.


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SwisterTwister We did some major edits on the article, if you still think the same. Please let us know.
 * Delete as I found no better improvement unless others have any avail. SwisterTwister   talk  07:21, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Keep I am very willing to reconstruct the whole article based on your previous comments. Please provide more constructive criticism on the article. Currently, I am trying to edit the article as a response to your comments. For example, I reduced the information on the "background" which seems as coattrackers. Whilst, added more reference entries that discussed Gay Asians of Toronto, such as published encyclopedia and books. Have a great day everyone!Jana.borras (talk) 01:31, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Keep To add to Jana's point, we have done extensive research on Gay Asians of Toronto, and as she has pointed out, the formation of this group has made a large impact to not only gay Asians in the Toronto community, but as well as all over the world. I have added a point about this into the article, hoping to make the background of Gay Asians in North America more acceptable for this article. The reason this group had formed was because of advocacy in North America, and the sense of belonging in other parts of the world that were beginning to take shape because of groups such as GAT. GAT also was a large step for other gay asians communities forming in North America. Finally, one of GAT's goals was to create a sense of community globally. Maybe if we made that more clear it would help in keeping this article up. As well, we have also been working to add more secondary sources. SamMaalouf (talk) 05:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SamMaalouf (talk • contribs)
 * Delete no evidence of notability and no reliable sources. I agree this is a WP:COATRACK Marlinsfan1988 (talk) 19:07, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Marlinsfan1988 I hope you expanded on your comment, I believe most of the references on this article were secondary, reliable sources in the form of books and encyclopedia published by other institutions and not by the organization itself.  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 22:24, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

The article has been thoroughly revised and edited based on the recommendations of these individuals who offered their criticisms. Therefore, we should Keep the article. VMS Mosaic As revisions and edits took place, additional notable sources have been added, as well as removing some information that includes unknown and primary sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SamMaalouf (talk • contribs) 18:22, 24 November 2015 (UTC) I really hope that this article can be retained, and not deleted. It is providing essential information about a very important organization in Canada. Brownels (talk) 16:06, 27 November 2015 (UTC)brownels
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG. Being revised and edited is completely beside the point. VMS Mosaic (talk) 03:33, 24 November 2015 (UTC)


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