Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gazmend Çimili


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The result was   delete per WP:ATHLETE failure. пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  13:43, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Gazmend Çimili

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Although Apolonia is professional, my concern is that these two players haven't made a senior appearance for the club.

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 * Andrea Veliu Spiderone  14:56, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Spiderone  14:56, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete both - they both fail WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 15:22, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep both No, they don't fail WP:ATHLETE in any way whatsoever. Like it or not, WP:ATHLETE gives a free pass to "People who have competed at the fully professional level of a sport", and they play for a team in the highest division of the Albanian Superliga.  Doesn't matter that you're playing at the highest level in little Albania rather than a large nation; under the rule, you get the same consideration as a player in the MSL.  Mandsford (talk) 15:59, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment The Albanian Superliga isn't fully professional Spiderone  16:06, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Mandsford. It doesn't matter if they are at Manchester United or Bishop Auckland, if they haven't played a game they aren't notable. Eddie6705 (talk) 17:13, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * According to this, [], Cimili has played one game. People would differ over whether someone who makes the roster meets the guideline or not. Mandsford (talk) 17:43, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Veliu hasn't played according to that source. I don't think it matters much though since the league isn't fully professional. Spiderone  18:18, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't have all the information about the Albanian Superliga, but the information that I have is that its champions and runners-up compete with the other clubs in the UEFA tournaments, which is "fully professional" enough as far as I'm concerned. I reckon that our pros get paid better than their pros, but short of a source that shows that the First Division is a bunch of weekend warriors, but I can't see having different standards for different European nations.  Mandsford (talk) 00:03, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Clubs from all of Europe's leagues can play in UEFA competitions. Does that mean they are all exceptions to the rule? Spiderone  06:45, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You know more about soccer football than I, so I'll pose two questions for you. #1 Is the first division of the  "Superliga" the top level of competition within Albania?  If it's secondary to another Albanian league, then I stand corrected.  #2 I recognize that UEFA sponsors lots of tournaments, but don't they have a competition that's limited to the teams at the top of each nation's premier league?  I remember that there used to be something called the "Cup Winners Cup", and another one where the teams with the best records in each nation's major league met each other.  Is there really some type of free-for-all where major champions square off against minor teams?  Over here, that would be like the Atlanta Braves meeting up with the Elkhart Rotary Club in the playoffs, so that would be odd, but maybe things are different than I would expect.  Maybe a third question would be, can you explain what you mean regarding the Superliga not being "fully professional"? Mandsford (talk) 13:19, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Major teams do quite often play minor teams in the qualifying rounds. Winning the Albanian Superliga doesn't guarantee a place in European competition; you still need to qualify. The Superliga isn't fully professional because some people are part-time and there is no evidence that the league is professional anywhere on the internet. Spiderone  13:23, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete All - Per nom. GauchoDude (talk) 00:04, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete them. Whether or not the team is even pro is irrelevant for these. To "compete" you have to play. The apparently watch from the bench. Lara  18:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. Steve-Ho (talk) 18:25, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete both Spiderone, Winning the Albanian Superliga does get you a place in European competition even if that is a qualifying round, so your statement above of guarantee is kind of incorrect. However players of Albanian teams that get passed qualifing rounds and play in the main stay UEFA competitions do qualify under WP:ATHLETE for their own articles but those two haven't so they should both be delete. Govvy (talk) 13:33, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
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