Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gazzo (magician)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. joe deckertalk to me 23:08, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Gazzo (magician)

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Non-notable magician lacking GHits and GNEWS of substance. Fails WP:BIO and WP:ENTERTAINER.  ttonyb (talk) 16:14, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
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 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 00:36, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
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 * Comment - I find it disturbing that I am constantly having to deal with complaints/notes/amendments to articles without any further substance outside of the tag itself.
 * In this case I have already stated why the person is important and why there are few articles of note to add citations.
 * In short, I am a little annoyed that the only measure of a mans' life is now reduced to how many 'hits' he receives.
 * While avoiding libel etc is important a read of the article can clearly see nothing of the sort exists.
 * The internet is a collection of information distilled and resourced from real world sources. That something is not prevalent on the internet already seems hardly a justification that it has no merit or validity.  kalchulainn


 * Comment – Sorry for your frustration, but Wikipedia is not about "real-world" notability or for that matter truth. It is about Wikipedia based notability and the ability to provide verifiable reliable sources to support notability. I am not sure why you bring up libel, not one is accusing the article of providing any such text.  In addition, no one is indicating the subject of the article is not important, only that it fails to meet the criteria for inclusion into Wikipedia.  ttonyb  (talk) 02:33, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment – The criteria of notability is so open to subjective interpretation that I don't see the point in even bothering to discuss it. What is 'interesting' to one individual is boring to another. As such if the article is going to be deleted because of someone's whim then so be it. I would simply like to have some sort of actual reason, a well constructed reason, other than being referred to the vague ideas of 'notability'. Please don't think me harsh or angry, I am simply stating that my articles have been subjected to the 'drive-by' tagging. Each time I alone have started the 'talk page' to find out the precise issue or to offer clarification. Each time I am left with large tags and no response.

Tony you are the first person to actually try and discuss the articles.

As for the point about libel it simply states in tags that one of the reasons for citation is to avoid libel,etc. As the reasons behind the lack of notable references has been brought up by myself before I concluded that this might be one of the reasons the article is still tagged and was wondering why. It clearly has no slander/libel elements within it.

In general I can understand 'wiki -notability' but this leads us to an uncomfortable situation where people on the edges of arts and discoveries will be brushed over and any half-assed idiot from a reality tv show will qualify. Again it's all subjective, I simply feel wikipedia is a collective gathering of knowledge, some of which people may not have heard of before they went searching for it and should not start limiting itself to those who can get 15 seconds of limelight in the 'mainstream'.

When being drunk and obnoxious qualifies to be a 'wiki' entry and dedicating over 30 years of your life to an art-form is not I worry about what we are learning. —   kalchulainn  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:33, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep One book which he coauthored is already a reference in the article, but therefore is not an "independent" source to support notability, though it can furnish details if notability is otherwise supported: . Another book has substantial coverage, and specifically says he is or was a well known magician:  There are other Google News Archive hits for Gazzo magician but no assurance they refer to this particular "Gazzo." There are some false hits where the word "magician" and some other "Gazzo" show up, besides the ones pertaining to this person. Google News archive has no results for Gazzo Osborne magician, but several for Gazzo Macee magician (Macee is his adopted last name).   This one in the LA Times is about this Gazzo, telling about him having a stroke while performing.The Boston Herald had coverage of him relocating, and mentioned his wife and child. This BBC article seems to be about him. The Toronto Star had some coverage. Thhe Stage had coverage. Seems enough to satisfy WP:BIO and WP:N. Edison (talk) 14:13, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep- This says Phantoms of the Card Table was Magic Week's Book of the Year 2003. Dru of Id (talk) 11:09, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment-Based on the subject and timeframe, he may also be the author of 2009 Gazzo on Cups and Balls, here. Dru of Id (talk) 08:50, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
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