Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Geeknights


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. No consensus despite being listed for two weeks, so no prejudice towards a speedy renomination. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:22, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Geeknights

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Suspect notability. This podcast did win an award, but against other non-notable competition which questions the validity of the award. Wade Hunter (talk) 17:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 17:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment So far the nominator's only non-userspace edits have been to open 3 AfDs, including this one. - Dravecky (talk) 08:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep as article appears to meet notability requirements of third-party coverage, subject has won a notable award (one for which the nominator is also trying to have that article deleted!), and the notability of your competitors matters little if you win. (That's why we have articles about every person who has won office in the United States House of Representatives but darned few about the folks that lost those races.) - Dravecky (talk) 17:43, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment If my grandma started giving out awards for best cookie recipes are her awards then notable? I question the notability of a Parsec award.  What exactly makes a Parsec Award notable?  Can anyone put together a website/group and start giving out awards - what are the requirements for recognition? What popular mainstream podcasts have won a Parsec Award? Wade Hunter (talk) 05:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Another example, say I won a state spelling bee and I'm given an award/trophy... do I then become notable?  Is a state spelling bee award more or less notable than a parsec award?  Maybe all spelling bee champs deserve an article on Wikipedia? If Geeknights won something similar to a Grammy Award or even something with a lot less caliber but recognizable by many, there would be no problem. I don't think the Parsec award cuts it in my opinion. Wade Hunter (talk) 05:25, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply: Which explains, I suppose, why all of your edits since you registered have been focused on three AfDs, including this one and one for the Parsec Awards. However, please understand that "notability" is a technical term on Wikipedia related to coverage by reliable third-party source and, in some cases, other specific criteria. It's not about personal feelings or what you "think" should be notable.  Do I care about Hog Island (Wisconsin)?  No, but Wikipedia policy says that all real geographic places are automatically notable.  Is the world clamoring to learn more about rookie Texas Rangers reliever Guillermo Moscoso?  Probably not, but Wikipedia has a clear policy about the notability of professional athletes that means Mr. Moscoso gets an article just like Babe Ruth or Nolan Ryan.  And Wikipedia has a general notability guideline that says a subject receiving coverage by reliable third-party sources is presumed notable.  The Parsec Award may or may not be enough by itself to justify an article... but this article is also sourced per the guidelines and thus may be presumed notable.  Personal feelings, your cookie-loving grandma, and hypotheticals don't enter into it.  - Dravecky (talk) 01:07, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Replay:A rookie with a MLB team is notable because MLB is notable. There are thousands of baseball fans who would know who Guillermo Moscoso is even if he plays in limited capacity. Hog Island is notable because it's a real landmark.  Are there any notable experts or persons of authority for Parsec Awards?   None that I'm aware of. If I decided to award Geeknights the 'Super Duper Blue Ribbon' award, does that make Geeknights notable as well because of my award?  I don't see how the Parsec Awards are notable.  If you can explain exactly how they are – let me know.  Wade Hunter (talk) 01:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete - Here is my two cents on this article; I believe the award is notable but just the award itself. Receiving such a minor award however does not confer notability on any level. I am also having a hard time trying to find any reliable sources on this topic, what I have found is articles from some guys blog as seen with this, and this; and some ladies blog seen here. On to the sources already in the article itself. I have analyzed the sources and have found many flaws, we have a broken link, a link that leads to the wrong page, a forum, another forum, and yet another forum we also have a wiki page, and sheesh what a shock another forum and all the rest are primary or are in no way reliable. The bottom line is this article fails our sourcing guidelines and relies on blogs, forums and wikis for its content. - Marcusmax  ( speak ) 02:29, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The specific policy that governs these sources is WP:SPS which states, "Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason self-published media, whether books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, Internet forum postings, tweets etc., are largely not acceptable" -- Marcusmax  ( speak ) 02:40, 17 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep. This user account appears to have been created solely to delete articles, as its first comment two weeks ago was "How do you delete articles?" and its only edits have been in AfDs.  68.244.159.15 (talk) 15:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Your only edits are to afds also, and wikipedia policy as I have demonstrated proves this is not notable. - Marcusmax  ( speak ) 15:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Considering all of "my" edits have been made in the past couple hours, it would be painfully obvious that I'm simply not logged in at the moment (I don't have my Wikipedia password memorized and am not on my home computer.)  I am also not nominating anything for deletion--the nominating user hasn't done anything on Wikipedia other than nominate articles for deletion and was unaware of how the deletion process worked until very recently.  68.244.159.15 (talk) 16:14, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well if you are a user who is not logged in, then you would know that this article and organization does not meet our notability criteria, who cares what the nominators purpose for wanting this deleted is the fact remains that this is non-notable and does not incorporate reliable sources and fails WP:SPS. - Marcusmax  ( speak ) 16:24, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.