Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Geire Kami


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:54, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Geire Kami

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Doesn't seem to be notable as a writer/playwright or actor, none of the theatre works or productions cited appear to be significant and the TV roles are uncredited or very minor. Winning a Australian Commercial Radio Award as a radio documentary maker doesn't seem enough for notability either. Boneymau (talk) 04:12, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Fails WP:NACTOR. WWGB (talk) 04:44, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete can't find sources to meet WP:GNG/WP:SIGCOV. (sources currently cited are all passing mentions and none meet reliability standards). I can't see any argument for meeting another set of notability guidelines (ie. NACTOR). Willing to reconsider if anyone finds sources, but I can't dig anything up. Samsmachado (talk) 19:23, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, non notable playwright and actor. fails WP:NACTOR. NatalieRci (talk) 00:26, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep PROD tag removal: Passes general notability guidelines. Recently updated with primary sources. Suggested significance due to national award as per Australia Commercial Radio Award; known author/playwright. (Geoff_Berlin) (talk) 2022-01-01
 * Delete fails WP:NACTOR. Lacking in depth coverage. LibStar (talk) 14:59, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Credited actor. Work archived in National Library. Passes WP:NACTOR. Significant award for documentary on Australian Special Forces commando killed in action. Passes WP:Notability. MagentaSwann (talk) 23:34, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Just for clarity, credited actor is not the WP:NACTOR standard and the National Library of Australia contains every book published in Australia so it's no marker of notability for WP:NAUTHOR. The one material issue is whether the radio work including the award is sufficient as WP:NCREATIVE. Boneymau (talk) 23:25, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment The National Library of Australia may have a record of every ISBN published but only significant work is physically archived (for obvious reasons) which fulfills WP:NAUTHOR. Interesting point about radio work with national award and WP:NCREATIVE. While some things may be less significant, taken in totality, it is significant enough to deserve attention. MagentaSwann (talk) 23:51, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You're of course welcome to have your own view about notability as we all are. But with respect to facts, the statement implying that NLA considers the book published in 2002 as significant because it archives a physical copy is not correct. See: https://www.nla.gov.au/legal-deposit/what-is-legal-deposit Boneymau (talk) 05:44, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The link you have provided above refers to electronic publications, where this refers to physical archives. See https://www.nla.gov.au/content/collection-development-policy-2020/what--we-collect#Manuscripts "Based on the priorities set out in collection principles the NLA focuses on collecting physical archives of: Australians of national significance, either resident or expatriate...etc." MagentaSwann (talk) 01:27, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * No, the link does not refer solely to electronic publications, but my intent was to more inform you about legal deposit in general and assist you to consider what this meant in 2002 prior to digital copies of many published books. I have no idea why you are referring to the Manuscripts collection policy when the relevant publication is a published Book where the NLA's approach at the link you provide is "collecting a copy of each Australian book with original content that has been made available to the general public." Whether you are just misunderstanding or being deliberately misleading, other editors can view all this in context so this is where I'll end replying. Boneymau (talk) 02:56, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, this is not a book; it is a stage play. The collection which is being referred to here is part of the NLA Manuscripts Collection. Before you suggest people who contribute are being deliberately misleading you might check these facts. MagentaSwann (talk) 02:23, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know why I am continuing to respond to this, but you are just plain wrong. It is not part of the NLA Manuscripts Collection. On what basis are you saying this? Go look at the NLA's collection record for the work, it literally says Format: Book. When stage plays are published the published work is a book which is subject to legal deposit at the NLA. In contrast to Format: Manuscripts that you'll see for items in NLA's selectively acquired manuscript collections for like a draft version or a letter.Boneymau (talk) 04:32, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not know why you are responding to this with incorrect information. It is quite hard to fathom. The reason that I say this is in the manuscript collection is that I have examined it (location Canberra). MagentaSwann (talk) 08:17, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This entry at the NLA makes clear that Kami did not produce an entire book. She just contributed one chapter (one play) to an anthology edited by others. Makes her notability even less evident. WWGB (talk) 05:52, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The book mentioned above is not the full length play held in the collection of the NLA. MagentaSwann (talk) 08:17, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * A search for Geire Kami in the NLA catalogue brings up only one entry (the collection). Please provide a link to the "full length play". WWGB (talk) 10:48, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Are you possibly referring to the copy of Kami's play Punch, alongside hundreds of other working items, in the David Branson papers at the ACT Heritage Library (i.e. the Australian Capital Territory library) in Canberra? That has nothing to do with the National Library of Australia, apart from a collection record being recorded on Trove. If that's what you're referring to, it is no claim to notability at all. Boneymau (talk) 10:59, 5 January 2022 (UTC)


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