Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gene Hallman Jr.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Draftify‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Liz Read! Talk! 23:43, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Gene Hallman Jr.

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Packed with weasel words like 'assisted', 'helped', 'supported' and 'responsible', this biography of a sports promoter/manager and company CEO does not take us past WP:GNG - stood up on hyper-local media and conflation of the company's activities and his own notability. The company fails WP:NCORP and the subject has not been the recipient of any blue-linked award or recognition. Perhaps notable is the Alabama Sports Hall of Fame article naming a number of nationally notable inductees - of which the subject is not one. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 13:54, 16 September 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Relisting for more examination. Does the article have problems that can be improved through editing? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:13, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: American football, Baseball, Golf,  and United States of America. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 13:54, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and South Carolina.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:22, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. Criticisms of the writing style (which appear valid) are separate and apart from the issue of notability. The piece is clearly SIGCOV and does not appear to be a hyper local publication (rather a statewide publication). Cbl62 (talk) 15:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not so much the writing style, though there is that, but the use of these terms to obfuscate a minor role in a major thing and consequently pretend notability. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:20, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Aside from the SIGCOV piece referenced above, Newspapers.com has some SIGCOV. See this (part 1/part 2), this, this (part 1/part 2), this (part 1/part 2), this. Cbl62 (talk) 03:17, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment AfD two days after article creation, damn, give it a minute to breathe and work on something more definite please instead of barreling into AfD for nominations like this.  Agent Vodello OK, Let's Party, Darling! 20:53, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Martyhall do with it what you will. WP:COI and all that. I lost interest in this site's runnings a long time ago.  Agent Vodello OK, Let's Party, Darling! 21:04, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Largely PROMO, no sourcing found in the NY Times or Gnews, nothing I can see for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 23:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Much is made of the Alabama Sports Hall of Fame, but although he won the "Distinguished Sportsman" award, there's no indication that he ever played any sport. Award is largely honorary, says the award is "separated from the induction of members" whatever that means. Other sources are largely business articles, where the articles are often mostly written by the company/person involved. Overall: nearly all of the content is promotional material for an event manager. Nigej (talk) 07:30, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Move to draft. If there are additional sources providing reliable independent coverage, they can be added in the comparatively leisurely six months of automatic leeway given by placement in draft space. BD2412  T 00:51, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Draftify. I'm largely persuaded by the paid editing/COI issues revealed at Talk:Gene Hallman Jr.. Given the mutliple examples of SIGCOV I referenced above, the subject appears to pass WP:GNG. Nonetheless, the paid editing/COI points persuade me that it makes sense to incubate this in draftspace to see if editors care enough to whip it into shape. Cbl62 (talk) 14:55, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Draftify: This subject meets WP:GNG as it stands, but needs a rewrite to resolve the current COI issues it has. User:Let'srun 16:06, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.