Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gene McVay


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The result was   delete. No prejudice against recreation if notability can be conclusively established. The Bushranger One ping only 23:36, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Gene McVay

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This is not the subject of substantial coverage by multiple reliable third party sources. In-depth coverage on which to base a biography is lacking: as far as I can tell, one reliable source gives mostly passing mention including where the subject speaks in his capacity as spokesperson but in coverage about something else entirely (arkansasnews.com 1: Pearl Harbor Day, arkansasnews.com 2: Pearl Harbor Day, arkansasnews.com 3...bingo!). The sole local source of non-election coverage doesn't seem to give very in-depth coverage. Furthermore, this subject does not rise to WP:POLITICIAN: the subject's candidature is covered somewhat more in-depth, however the coverage as a whole isn't substantially about the subject (AP 1AP 2) and is best included in relevant prose about the election elsewhere. JFHJr (㊟) 01:26, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. This appears to be a local vet who speaks out on political issues, mostly in his position with the American Legion, and who has dabbled in politics. In the 1998 gubernatorial primary, Huckabee got about 90% of the vote, and McVay under 10%. I don't know how McVay did in the 1972 Arkansas Senate election (the article has no source for this assertion and I found nothing to back it up - I tagged it). He doesn't meet any of the special critieria of WP:POLITICIAN, so he is essentially subject to WP:GNG, and I couldn't find enough significant coverage to make him notable.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:49, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
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 * Don't Delete. This appears to be a local vet because of malicious vandalism which removes references and guts the listing. Gene McVay was elected to statewide office five times and serves as a national officer in the largest veterans organization in the United States.  Colonel McVay's credentials would be clear if JFHJr aka Bbb23 would stop deleting 90% of the article.  I don't mind him promoting Mike Huckabee but I do not appreciate the assault on Gene McVay.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by F16TopGun (talk • contribs) 15:24, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment – The above user was blocked indefinitely for disruptive editing. As to the sole nugget of notability in the comment above: elected five times to statewide office? If a reliable source or two could be found about that, the subject's notability probably wouldn't be in question. JFHJr (㊟) 19:47, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Additional on comment - Perhaps he meant statewide office in the American Legion? Gtwfan52 (talk) 21:25, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hard to imagine that a position at the American Legion qualifies as "statewide office" in the way that term would normally be understood. As for what he meant, I honestly don't care (that's not directed at you, Gtwfan52).--Bbb23 (talk) 21:28, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You'll note that his "statewide office" was immediately followed by "national officer in the largest veterans organization in the United States" — I'm confident that he meant "statewide office in the largest veterans organization in the United States". Nyttend (talk) 03:36, 1 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: This reference appeared in an earlier version of the article, but is not available online:    "Guard Colonel in the Lead", AIR FORCE Magazine, October 1995.  The title suggests that it might be in-depth coverage. His book at https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=isbn:9781430325109 does not appear to be notable. The customer reviews at Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/Top-Gun-Management-Gene-McVay/product-reviews/1430325100/ref=sr_1_1_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1  are not enough to prove notability. Eastmain (talk • contribs)  23:03, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. An earlier version of the article said that he had received the Gallantry Cross (Vietnam). This decoration was awarded in different degrees; it is not clear which degree McVay received. It might be helpful to know what degree of the Gallantry Cross (Vietnam) and what U.S. decorations he received. It seems to me that neither his military nor political careers are enough to establish notabilty. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 23:17, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Question Are there any relevant elections articles to which we could redirect this article? I couldn't find one.  Nyttend (talk) 03:34, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I was surprised I couldn't find the two elections McVay was in as separate articles. The only other articles that mention McVay are Mike Huckabee, Electoral history of Mike Huckabee, and Governorship of Mike Huckabee. I would think that anyone typing in Gene McVay would be surprised to be redirected to a Huckabee article, but others may disagree.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:10, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree that it would be unhelpful to redirect him to Huckabee. Nyttend (talk) 18:43, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with Nyttend. Delete. JFHJr (㊟) 01:41, 2 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails WP:BIO, seems to be a straightforward case of a non-notable person. Robofish (talk) 17:28, 1 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails WP:BIO Non-notable person. He is also soliciting votes to keep the article on Twitter ChaosEmerald 00:58, 3 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChaosE (talk • contribs)


 * Delete - I don't believe that simply running for a political office in itself passes WP:N or WP:BIO. Anyone can run for an office.  I agree with comment above, that if he actually has been awarded the Gallantry Cross (Vietnam) then it might make him notable.  I know we don't use other WP articles as sources, but as an aside, on the Gallantry Cross article, Mr. McVay is absent on the list of Notable Recipients.
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