Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/General Consulate of Moroccan Empire in America


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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:50, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

General Consulate of Moroccan Empire in America

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This two-liner about a "civil society organization" could be speedy-deleted A7 (no claim of significance), but I think it should have a full discussion in case of re-creation, because a previous version, deleted by PROD, made large and deceptive claims, and the article author,, who appears to be the "Supreme Grand Sheik" of the organization, has been trying to insert it in articles like Morocco-United States relations and List of diplomatic missions in the United States. The former Wikipedia article is also referenced on its Facebook page.

I have restored the history, so that the previous version can be seen here. That version claimed that Sharif Shakur Bey is "acting Consulate General, Minister of Diplomatic Relations... and Ambassador to the United Nations" and that the organization is "the diplomatic body that represents the Moroccan Empire." It was illustrated with this picture, which is actually the Moroccan Embassy in Stockholm.

The title "Empire of Morocco" was sometimes used in pre-colonial times, but there is no such entity now: the modern country is the Kingdom of Morocco which has a Consulate General in New York.

The claim to be "registered with the United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs" is true but not significant: UNDESA's register contains over 40,000 groups. The entry gives its headquarters address as "Moroccan Empire, Morocco".

Conclusion: the organization exists but is not notable, and is attempting to use Wikipedia to imply bogus claims of diplomatic status and connection with the current Kingdom of Morocco. JohnCD (talk) 20:52, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Morocco-related deletion discussions. JohnCD (talk) 20:55, 18 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. Not much to be said about this: no independent coverage whatsoever and clearly fails WP:ORGIN etc. Based on the detail devoted to the Moorish Science Temple of America in the old version linked above I suspect it's a sovereign citizen invention. — Nizolan  (talk) 04:03, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete The organisation (if it even exists) is simply not notable (no references). Setting that aside, it has a facebook page which is rated by 2 people (one of whom is the alleged ambassador). This ambassador also has a facebook page which describes him as "Social Economy Ministry, Human Rights Ministry at International Parliament USA, Minister of Diplomatic Affairs at GCMEA, Grand Commander of ION New York." There is no way I am going to believe that this is a serious organisation. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 21:30, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Per above, if not an outright hoax. Pinkbeast (talk) 12:57, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete I also did a search on this and could find nothing to support notability. I agree with the previous comments and that the alleged organization is either a non-notable sovereign citizen invention or a hoax. Donner60 (talk) 02:54, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete When I checked before, I labelled this as a hoax. It only seemed to be referenced by a wordpress blog and attempts on Wikipedia. Certainly it is non-notable. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:52, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as simply none of this satisfies the applicable notability. SwisterTwister   talk  04:50, 24 March 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.