Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/General Grubozaboyschikov


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The result was delete. No prejudice towards redirection. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:57, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

General Grubozaboyschikov

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Failing WP:GNG, WP:JUSTPLOT, WP:V/WP:RS since 2007; I was not allowed to just redirect the article, was told I "should nominate them for deletion" instead. Niemti (talk) 22:06, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 15:40, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 15:40, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Many of the other articles on Bond characters recently nominated for AfD  are    about individuals who do not play a role in the plot, except as people in the background or incidental victims. They should be merged and redirected . The General is different: he does play a significant though minor role.  DGG ( talk ) 04:22, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No, he isn't ant different. That's all plot/trivia with no independent sources, about a character in a single novel. --Niemti (talk) 05:03, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Comment There are a couple of extra references to this particular individual, as a quick search of Google Books and Google Scholar show. - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 21:18, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Look for appearances in any other James Bond media and/or merchandise, his influence outside of the franchise (inspirations or parodies), awards, top lists, etc. If there's nothing of that, than it's not a notable character at all. --Niemti (talk) 21:35, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Comment that's what's on display in a number of the Books and Scholar references above. - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 21:42, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Citations needed. --Niemti (talk) 21:47, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Comment Balls are citations needed. All I've done is point out that there are other sources of information: there are quite a lot of them and a number are exactly what Wiki aims for. Other people can look through them use them if you're too lazy to do it. - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 21:53, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

And now you can use those other sources of information to show any proof of the character's independent notability (see above of what to look for, but I think it's unlikely, given it's a character that is only in a single novel, according to the article). Or "you're too lazy to do it" but that's not my problem. --Niemti (talk) 14:48, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Comment: Mine neither. I have not supported or challenged the deletion: I have merely offered a number of third party sources which people can use and which any editor should have looked at before blithely sticking the AfD tag on the page. - SchroCat ( ^  •  @ ) 14:54, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - Wikipedia has no place for these minor, non-notable fictional characters. Put them on a Bond fansite. - Fanthrillers (talk) 21:01, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Search in Google books shows sufficient coverage by RS. My very best wishes (talk) 03:28, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - All Bond-related reliable sources. One can make the same argument for virtually every character in the Bond universe. The character is unknown and non-notable outside of hardcore Bond/Fleming fans - Fanthrillers (talk) 23:20, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete (As I couldn't have it just redirected.) --Niemti (talk) 21:00, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:GNG, no coverage in Gbooks that goes beyond trivial mentions.Folken de Fanel (talk) 21:13, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 01:23, 17 September 2012 (UTC)




 * Delete and then redirect to From Russia, with Love (novel) - Fails WP:GNG. If we use sources that are not independent of the topic, Wikipedia will no longer be distinguished from the rest of the internet. Since there are a few reliable source mentions of the topic,, redirect to From Russia, with Love (novel). -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 03:57, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete due to a lack of significant coverage in reliable third party sources, providing more than just a plot recap. There's nothing to WP:verify notability. Shooterwalker (talk) 23:04, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - There is nothing to demonstrate that the character has any notability outside of the single book he appeared in. All sources available are merely plot summaries, which is not enough to demonstrate notability for fictional characters.  Rorshacma (talk) 16:19, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - There is a lack of significant coverage from reliable third party sources and is nothing more than a plot recap. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:05, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
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