Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/General Jewish Labour Bund in Belarus


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. After two relistings, there's no consensus here. A merge discussion can continue on an article talk page if desired. (non-admin closure) NorthAmerica1000 07:56, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

General Jewish Labour Bund in Belarus

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I have never, and I've searched a lot for it, come across any reference that would indicate the existence of a Belarusian chapter of the Bund. To be clear, the Bund was present in many areas that today are within the limits of the Republic of Belarus, but they were not organized as a 'Belarusian' Bund. Rather, cities like Minsk and Gomel were epicentres of the Russian Bund. The Minsk and Gomel conferences mentioned in the article were All-Russian conferences, not congresses of a chapter in Belarus. The three sentences about Bundist participation in the BNR structure can be included in the main Bund party article. Soman (talk) 19:37, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Belarus-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:50, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep because (a) the nominator's proposals are self-conflicting, he is proposing a "delete and merge" which cannot be done. If he wants a "merge and redirect" then he should say so, so he needs to clarify and make up his mind before rushing to a formal AfD. (b) The article does cite at least two WP:V and WP:RS, that is good enough for what is basically not much more than a stub. What is needed is further discussion and patience per WP:DONOTDEMOLISH, not a deletion of this WP:N material. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 06:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * But the refs do not in any way indicate the existence of a Belarusian Bund party. They talk about the Russian Bund, for which there already is an article. For me, it's essentially a WP:FORK. --Soman (talk) 20:32, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Soman, but you cannot throw out the baby with the bathwater. The correct thing for you to do is to ask for a "Merge [and retain all relevant content not found in the larger article] and Redirect" (back) to the larger General Jewish Labour Bund in Lithuania, Poland and Russia article. Instead your nomination sounds confused, just rushing to get rid of something because you do not like it is not good enough. Besides, a topic like this would need WP:EXPERTISE in the convoluted history of the Jews in Russia, Belarus and the former USSR not just in English but especially in Russian, Polish and Yiddish. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 07:00, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * If you see Talk:General_Jewish_Labour_Bund_in_Belarus, I raised concerns about the factual accuracy of the article in November 2009, so I can hardly be accused to 'rushing'. None of the other editors, nor in the article nor in the Bund Task Force (of which I'm part, so the WP:LIKE comment is a bit misplaced). As per the 'baby', the three sentences that could justify a merge rather than a deletion are unsourced, I couldn't find anything on Google Books. --Soman (talk) 08:05, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 00:15, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 08:25, 8 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge any verifiable elements. הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 17:47, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
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