Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/General Nguyen Ngoc Loan executing a Viet Cong prisoner in Saigon

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. However, the form of "keep" is in doubt. There were some excellent arguments raised in favor of keeping this only as a redirect or as a merge and redirect (to preserve GFDL). Consensus was not reached on that recommendation. This discussion should continue on the appropriate Talk pages. Rossami (talk) 02:23, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

General Nguyen Ngoc Loan executing a Viet Cong prisoner in Saigon
This article is simply about a photo. The photo has a description field to add information to it. The rest of the info, and the picture itself, is found on the article about the man, Nguyen Ngoc Loan. Elfguy 19:55, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * so redirect. Gazpacho 20:03, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Did, someone reverted. Hence this VFD. Elfguy 20:31, 25 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Merge & Redirect (changed from delete, I was unaware of the issues Proto raises below), pretty much same as on Nguyen Ngoc Loan page anyway, I can't see it being useful as a redirect. Alf 20:37, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Re-redirect to Nguyen Ngoc Loan and make it stick. Zoe 20:39, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - the photo itself is notable. In fact, the photo is probably more notable than the man.-Satori (talk) 21:31, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Is that a Western bias, assuming that a general of a sovereign nation's army is not notable? Zoe 21:42, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the article on photographer who won prize for it. Only break it out to it's own article when it actually gets some meat. Not everything needs a seperate entry. - Mgm|(talk) 21:33, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not paper, and there's nothing wrong with keeping a stub on a notable topic.-Satori (talk) 21:41, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Satori. This is a famous photo, enough so that a NY Times obituary of Nguyen Ngoc Loan spends more time discusing the photo, and the event it documents, than it does the man himself.--Soultaco 22:28, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, notable photo. Kappa 22:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Merge. Arguably the single most famous photo of the Vietnam war. Fernando Rizo T/C 23:16, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Capitalistroadster makes a fine point below. Changing my vote. Fernando Rizo T/C 01:35, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with Nguyen Ngoc Loan where it can be a section. Noone is going to look for this title. Capitalistroadster 00:13, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep it's a very famous photo, and a groundbreaking point in photo journalism. Redirecting to the man misses the point. Furthermore, if you merge it with something, is it with the article on the general, Nguyen Ngoc Loan, or the one on Eddie Adams (photographer) the photographer? You're going to end up with a lot of duplicate information in either case. Better to link to the photo page from both for basic information, and write about the personal context on each page. Trollderella 00:41, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into a new section of Nguyen Ngoc Loan as per sane naming conventions, and leave a redirect as per GFDL.  Of course it's notable, and of course it should be kept.  Nobody has voted to delete, Kappa, don't panic.  This should never, ever have gone to VfD.  And of course it would go to the article on Loan, rather than that on Eddie Adams (photographer).  Is the story of John F Kennedy's assassination kept at Abraham Zapruder?  Keeping this kind of info at such a awkwardly named article is crazy. Proto t c 09:50, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * That would be, but what about a famous photograph of the assasination taken by someone? We are not talking about the man, or the incident, but the photograph itself. Trollderella 17:42, 26 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Merge per Capitalistroadster. Well known photo, but a the added context from the Nguyen Ngoc Loan would be nice. Sjakkalle (Check!)  10:22, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep This photo is incredibly notable. Hipocrite 12:33, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep The photo itself is notable. >>sparkit| TALK << 13:12, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: The photo is notable for sure, but the issue is that people will look for either of these 2 men names, and get to their articles, which already have this photo, with almost all the same information, hence making this article somewhat useless. Elfguy 01:57, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment The importance of this image is indisputable. The question, though, is how to find it.  I would have had no idea to look for Nguyen Ngoc Loan.  There ought to be a "famous photographs" or maybe "famous images of war" article to serve as a clearing house for this kind of content.  As a test, how would you have found this picture if you didn't know that it was taken by this man? - Dottore So 22:46, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Good point, there is a category of historic photos or somesuch isn't there? Trollderella 21:46, 27 August 2005 (UTC) PS Yes - Category:Memorable photographs
 * Comment: However, please remember that Wikipedia is not an image gallery.  If you want to find this photograph, Wikipedia isn't really the right tool for that job.  Rossami (talk) 02:23, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Perhaps move to a better title. --Oldak Quill 10:51, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Very good, but please merge with General Nguyen Ngoc or at least rename to a shorter title. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 23:20, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge --tranquileye 12:23:47, 2005-08-30 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.