Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Geneshift (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Not strong Keep arguments but the deletion rationale is also iffy. I'm going to default this to Keep although there is agreement that the sources could use some improvement. Liz Read! Talk! 05:09, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Geneshift
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May fail WP:GNG (tagged as such since 2017). The article is an orphan, and there seems to be a COI concerning the creator of the page. Sources may be sufficient judging by the handful of external links on the page. Liliana UwU (talk / contribs) 05:26, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.  Liliana UwU  (talk / contribs) 05:26, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems notable enough, and COI concerns are not grounds for deletion if an article is provably notable. The offending material simply has to be removed, and the article not give the impression of being an advertisement. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:54, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey, I am the creator of the game. I certainly understand why COI might be a concern, and don't want to write or include anything other than factual objective information. As for notability the game has over 2000 reviews on Steam, which is well above average.
 * I would say on another point however, that the name of the game was changed last week. However I personally do not have permission to rename/move to the new url. Am I right in thinking that in the interests of keeping wikipedia as accurate and up to date as possible, the url and page title should be changed?
 * Here is a source for this (official Steam announcement): https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/308600/view/6231320936800329471
 * I'm just a gamedev and not particularly familar with editing wikipedia, so please let me know what I can do to help. And thanks in general for keeping this site as up to date as it is. Bencelot (talk) 07:27, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment The two references at Kotaku and PC Gamer, while depending on quotes somewhat, are probably WP:SIGCOV despite not being full reviews (these are also established reliable sources that are secondary and independent). Vice piece is also WP:SIGCOV but only marginally reliable per WP:RSP. In contrast, the rest does appear to be routine announcements, e.g., this article depends upon a press release, whereas this seems also interview-like.


 * Nevertheless, from reading the article I think it's decently neutral, and doesn't obviously fall under other WP:DELREASON. It has some WP:RS, and doesn't seem to be unambiguously promotional, and does not seem to violate WP:NOT, nor does it need significant cleanup (i.e., almost a full rewrite or WP:TNT instead of minor cleanup falling under NEXIST) to address obvious WP:V or WP:PROMO cases. I also don't see being an orphan would be a convincing case towards deletion, the subject might be obscure but even articles that were unsourced/poorly sourced for ten years are not deleted based on that reason alone per WP:NEXIST, e.g., the discussion at Village pump (policy). Therefore, IMO the main potential reason to delete is notability, which this article borderline meets, with two sources that count towards it and another one with no consensus whether it is reliable.  VickKiang  (talk)  22:31, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * While it is tagged, a 2017 AfD discussion resulted in keep, see Articles for deletion/Geneshift. Many thanks.  VickKiang  (talk)  22:33, 18 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep The article needs work but I believe there are enough sources to build it. I also found some non-english sources that might demonstrate notability. But I think the other sources found are already enough. Archrogue (talk) 01:20, 23 November 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.