Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Geneva Manifesto


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The result was Keep. Michig (talk) 08:22, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Geneva Manifesto

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Article's subject does not appear to exist. Only link provided as a references links back directly to this article. KDS 4444 Talk  00:38, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I am fairly sure it exists, but it is not clear to me that this is what it is called in English. See es:Manifiesto de Ginebra. Here is a book in English that talks about the matter (of the pretender to the Spanish throne stating opposition to Franco and calling for the monarchy to be restored). I am not yet convinced that the incident requires more cover than a sentence in Infante Juan, Count of Barcelona. —Kusma (t·c) 17:13, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:12, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Spain-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:12, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep or merge to Infante Juan, Count of Barcelona. The nominator deserves a WP:TROUT for assuming that references linking back into an article are evidence of a hoax - particularly when the links go to an entry in the article's Bibliography section which gives full bibliographical details of the referenced work, complete with a working ISBN link. As User:Kusma notes, this declaration by the then pretender to the Spanish throne exists - and, in fact, page 23 of this source (which, despite not identifying itself, comes from the website of a highly reputable academic publisher, and appears to be part of "Britain and the Spanish Anti-Franco Opposition, 1940-1950" by David J. Dunthorn) specifically mentions it as the Geneva Manifesto. The corresponding article on Spanish Wikipedia shows that a detailed and well-referenced article on the topic is perfectly feasible, though I am not entirely sure that a comparatively minor event deserves quite that amount of treatment here - however, it should certainly have at least a couple of sentences in the article on its author. PWilkinson (talk) 01:17, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I presume Ginebra is the Spanish spelling for Geneva. The question is whether the declaration is so notable that it needs a separate article or whether it should be merged to Infante Juan, Count of Barcelona.  I am not qualified to judge.  I certainly do not believe the hoax theory.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:45, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep. I have added four cite books and very slightly expanded the lead with context explaining the name. The referencing system in use at the time of AFD tagging is Harvard citations. Please also observe that WP:BEFORE B.6. says "Check if there are interlanguage links, also in the sidebar, which may lead to more developed and better sourced articles." This check was apparently not performed. At es:Manifiesto de Ginebra we have a good 10+k article, sourced and ready to translate. All-in-all there's nothing to debate at AFD here, and a withdraw could save some community time. As for the article title, that can be discussed at the article talk page. Sam Sailor Talk! 18:50, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per Sam Sailor, especially given the possibility of expanding based on the Spanish-language article. clpo13(talk) 18:56, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn by nominator KDS 4444  Talk  20:24, 25 November 2015 (UTC)


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